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Sutter + Martin for your TOP-6 Winger

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07-02-2014, 03:51 PM
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How many active players played at least one full season since 2006?
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Kings could use Martin but not at the price he's at now.
I'm guessing Toffoli is off the table?

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07-02-2014, 03:53 PM
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Where did he make it known he plans on testing the market in 2015?




Martin's an elite #2, I guess you could consider him a #1 as there aren't 30 other dmen better than him.

Sutter is a good #3 centre, doesn't produce enough offense to be a #2 for anything more than a few games.
There certainly are 30 better than Martin. He's a # 2. Not an elite #2, an average #2. Which is still pretty good, but let's not exaggerate his value here.

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I find it extremely funny that everyone in this thread agrees Martin has game and yet he's only worth 1/3 of JVR. If his value was that low 28 teams would be on the phone to JR as we speak.

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07-02-2014, 03:55 PM
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I'd rather have Bennett + Pouliott + 1st.
Trading Bennett for a top-6 forward defeats the purpose of trading for a top-6 forward.
Filling one hole while opening another.

I think I would do Sutter, Pouliot and a 1st for JVR. That would give us this lineup:

JVR-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett
Spaling-Goc-Dupuis
Comeau-XXXX-Downie

Up front. Sign a good 4C like Santorelli or Steckel, dump Scuderi and we would be set.

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07-02-2014, 03:57 PM
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Yeah Brandon Sutter who's nothing more then a glorified 3rd line center and defenseman Paul Martin who can never stay healthy enough. Is'nt going to get you a decent top 6 winger. Just not going to happen.


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Okay he has'nt the last two seasons.
Hasn't what? Stayed healthy or played well?

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Sutter+Martin for Perron+pick/C-prospect makes too much sense.

The cap savings would make up for the disparity in value.
Deal as long as the prospect is a forward.

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I find it extremely funny that everyone in this thread agrees Martin has game and yet he's only worth 1/3 of JVR. If his value was that low 28 teams would be on the phone to JR as we speak.
I don't think you realize how valuable a 25 year old 30/30 power forward who can skate and is locked up long term on a sweet heart deal is

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How many times have we put a genuine top 6 talent who's scored 28 goals in this league on Sid's wing?

I'll wait for your answer.
I mean in terms of hypotheticals. And Hossa?

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Palmieri (2 years at 1.46 then RFA) + Bryan Allen (1 year 3.5 then UFA) for Sutter (RFA) + Martin (1 year 5.0 then UFA)?

Something to consider for both teams. I like Allen but Stoner is basically a younger version and Martin may add something to our blueline that we don't have.

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07-02-2014, 04:07 PM
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Palmieri (2 years at 1.46 then RFA) + Bryan Allen (1 year 3.5 then UFA) for Sutter (RFA) + Martin (1 year 5.0 then UFA)?

Something to consider for both teams. I like Allen but Stoner is basically a younger version and Martin may add something to our blueline that we don't have.
Not a chance on this.

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Not a chance on this.
OK... care to explain why?

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There certainly are 30 better than Martin. He's a # 2. Not an elite #2, an average #2. Which is still pretty good, but let's not exaggerate his value here.
there are 30 other NHL dmen people would rather have because of age/upside/contract but I don't think there are 30 NHL dmen better than him.

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Would Ottawa be interested? Would love me some Bobby Ryan...

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I haven't seen Martin enough to comment, but if he was that good, why would we he be available?

I was thinking he might be a top 3/4. Someone who could be a good partner for Fowler or Lindholm until we find a long term solution.

Sutter would give us more options at 3C since Perrault is gone now.

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Would Sharks fans do Sutter+Martin for Burns? Lupul plus also doesn't sound bad.
No no no no no.

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07-02-2014, 04:20 PM
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OK... care to explain why?
Because the difference between Martin and Allen is a lot bigger than the difference between Sutter and Palmieri.

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Oilers should have interest, but not sure which of our wingers you would want considering Eberle, Hall and likely Yakupov would all be off the table for this deal. Is it really a top 6 winger you are after, or is it really a top line winger? We love Perron, but he might be available to fill two holes like this.
Being Perron would be the only one not untouchable, then Martin for Perron sounds like a base.
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Sutter+Martin to CAR for Semin
Add Scuderi and you have a deal.
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Some pens fans saying Martin is a #1 D and Sutter could be a #2 C while others are willing to trade them both for guys like Perron, Nelson?

Sutter is a very good 3rd line center. He COULD be a 2nd line center with the right terms (Chicago maybe before Richards). When you have linemates like Glass and Adams its hard to showoff your talents.
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Sutter+Martin for Perron+pick/C-prospect makes too much sense.

The cap savings would make up for the disparity in value.
Done. Maybe get us a 2015 3rd.
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Wonder what the Pens would be willing to give up for JVR.
Sutter+Pouliot+1st seems good enough for me. Maybe a small plus from our POV.
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Keep Martin. Lupul for Sutter?
Yes please.
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I'd rather have Bennett + Pouliott + 1st.
No thank you. To much. Trading Bennett opens up another hole. See what Voukana said.
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Kings could use Martin but not at the price he's at now.
As in money or HFBoards value?
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Hasn't what? Stayed healthy or played well?
The wrist injury that sidelined him was also from the Olympics. Take out that he probably plays 60+ games this year.
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Palmieri (2 years at 1.46 then RFA) + Bryan Allen (1 year 3.5 then UFA) for Sutter (RFA) + Martin (1 year 5.0 then UFA)?

Something to consider for both teams. I like Allen but Stoner is basically a younger version and Martin may add something to our blueline that we don't have.
No interest in Allen. Martin>Allen, Palmieri and Sutter are pretty close in value though.

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id do lupul for sutter and martin no question. but martin for lupul makes more sense value-wise

many yrs of lupul vs 1 yr of martin

no chance in hell of giving up JVR. he's the best player outside of kessel on this team

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I haven't seen Martin enough to comment, but if he was that good, why would we he be available?

I was thinking he might be a top 3/4. Someone who could be a good partner for Fowler or Lindholm until we find a long term solution.
I am not familiar with Anaheims defense, but Martin is solid. The Erhoff signing and rumors he wont resign in Pittsburgh makes him expendable.

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No interest in Allen. Martin>Allen, Palmieri and Sutter are pretty close in value though.
As players/talent I can see that, but simply because of contract Palmieri > Sutter. Palmieri is 1.46 for 2 years and still RFA. That's huge.

Sutter is seeking 3+ million and will likely be UFA at end of next deal. 1.5 million cap space saving min + asset at end of deal.

Only way I justify trade is by giving us a huge upgrade on Allen for 1 year. You guys save on cap space as well (another 1.5 million).

I was thinking Penguins add to be honest. Maybe 2015/2016 pick 2nd/3rd round pick.

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Trading Bennett for a top-6 forward defeats the purpose of trading for a top-6 forward.
Filling one hole while opening another.

I think I would do Sutter, Pouliot and a 1st for JVR. That would give us this lineup:

JVR-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett
Spaling-Goc-Dupuis
Comeau-XXXX-Downie

Up front. Sign a good 4C like Santorelli or Steckel, dump Scuderi and we would be set.
Why move Kunitz from Crosby?

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Lupul for Martin + Sutter??? You got it!!

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07-02-2014, 04:27 PM
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I am not familiar with Anaheims defense, but Martin is solid. The Erhoff signing and rumors he wont resign in Pittsburgh makes him expendable.
Allen is slow and is probably the worst passer on the team. However he is tough as nails, stands up for teammates and very smart defensively. He is the perfect vet presence for your 3rd pairing defense. When he was paired w/ a PMD (for us Vatanen) they were extremely effective. When paired with another slow defenseman, his got exposed.

Honestly think that is a good deal for you guys purely because of cap savings.

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