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07-02-2014, 05:29 PM
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Yzerman said he would have been on the team if he hadn't gotten hurt per fan 960. He was the top corsi rel. qoc player in the league last year. I think he's a whole lot better than Hamhuis.
How did an injury at the start of the season effect Giordano's ability to make a team in February?

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07-02-2014, 05:30 PM
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Just no. Tanev played on our top-pair at even-strength. Very good possession stats despite playing top competition. Also was our most used PKer. Now, you're going to say Tanev is #5 in TOI/G therefore he is a #5 defenseman. Only reason his overall TOI is low is because he had nonexistant PP time. Pretty much zero.

Tanev:
Corsi: 51.2%
CorsiRel: +0.7%
ZS% : 44.8%
ZSRel: -4.1%
QoCTOI: 29.3%

Butler:
Corsi: 42.8%
CorsiRel: -5.5%
ZS% : 41.7%
ZSRel: -9.7%
QoCTOI: 28.3%

Tanev performed miles better than Butler. It's not even a comparison. Is Tanev worth Nyquist? Maybe, maybe not. But he is so much better than a #5 it's not even funny.
Butler's a bad #5 though. Compare him to Brodie and you'll see that comparison is absolutely ridiculous. He has the 2nd best advanced stats in the league for defensemen.

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07-02-2014, 05:32 PM
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How did an injury at the start of the season effect Giordano's ability to make a team in February?
Quoting Yzerman who said the sample size wasn't big enough. I wasn't in the room. But that Giordano is better than Hamhuis shouldn't even be a conversation. Even the biggest Canuck homer has to acknowledge it.

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07-02-2014, 05:35 PM
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quoting yzerman who said the sample size wasn't big enough. I wasn't in the room. But that giordano is better than hamhuis shouldn't even be a conversation. Even the biggest canuck homer has to acknowledge it.

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Tanev straight up for Nyquist would be a deal that would make sense for both teams.
lol it would make ZERO sense for Detroit to trade the far superior player.

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Butler's a bad #5 though. Compare him to Brodie and you'll see that comparison is absolutely ridiculous. He has the 2nd best advanced stats in the league for defensemen.
Brodie is very good. He's not a #5 either. Same situation as Tanev. Borderline/probable top-pair player.

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07-02-2014, 05:38 PM
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Quoting Yzerman who said the sample size wasn't big enough. I wasn't in the room. But that Giordano is better than Hamhuis shouldn't even be a conversation. Even the biggest Canuck homer has to acknowledge it.
The gap isn't nearly as large as you think it is. Before this season the consensus was Hamhuis was better, even Steve Yzerman believes the sample size of Giordano's great season wasn't large enough to triumph Hamhuis' previous accolades. That being said, yes I think Giordano is a bit better. As for Brodie being similar to Hamhuis, if you're looking for an objective opinion on that go start a poll on the main board. It'll be closed before tomorrow.

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Tanev doesn't get you close to Nyquist. Maybe Tatar.

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07-02-2014, 05:41 PM
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Quoting Yzerman who said the sample size wasn't big enough. I wasn't in the room. But that Giordano is better than Hamhuis shouldn't even be a conversation. Even the biggest Canuck homer has to acknowledge it.
Nope the only reason you are saying this is because Gio had more points, that does not make him better then Hammer who does not put up points.

He shuts down top players he is not on par with Gio when it comes to offense but he is just as effective overall.

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No deal to be made here. Garrison is gone, if it's not Nyquist coming back for him then no thank you.

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Why are people discussing Olympic team? Rick Nash made it and Claude Giroux didn't lol.

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No deal to be made here. Garrison is gone, if it's not Nyquist coming back for him then no thank you.
If we want Nyquist we are giving up Horvat as well asking for Nyquist to be put in a trade is ridiculous.

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The Canucks will not trade Chris Tanev for Tomas Tatar.
Cause he is the second coming of Bobby Orr? I don't think he is. Tatr should be a 20 goal scorer who can play on the second line and give you offense so if you don't want him the Wings should keep him.

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No deal to be made here. Garrison is gone, if it's not Nyquist coming back for him then no thank you.
You are going to have to add significantly to get Nyquist...

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Nope the only reason you are saying this is because Gio had more points, that does not make him better then Hammer who does not put up points.

He shuts down top players he is not on par with Gio when it comes to offense but he is just as effective overall.
Giordano was the top shutdown defenseman in the league last year by statistical measure. Better than Chara, Weber, Seabrook ect. Care to try again?

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07-02-2014, 05:46 PM
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Cause he is the second coming of Bobby Orr? I don't think he is. Tatr should be a 20 goal scorer who can play on the second line and give you offense so if you don't want him the Wings should keep him.


I never said the Vancouver Canucks did not want Tomas Tatar. All I said was I wouldn't move Christopher Tanev for him, Jesus.

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Why are people discussing Olympic team? Rick Nash made it and Claude Giroux didn't lol.
Rick Nash and Claude Giroux do not play the same position.....

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I never said the Vancouver Canucks did not want Tomas Tatar. All I said was I wouldn't move Christopher Tanev for him, Jesus.
You'll notice the fans of other teams have no interest in this TJ Brodie type player. I guarantee if the player was actually TJ Brodie 29 teams would line up.

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Rick Nash and Claude Giroux do not play the same position.....
And? Even if you look at position are you saying all the other guys are better than Giroux? Who probably would play RW (or any forward) if needed.

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Giordano was the top shutdown defenseman in the league last year by statistical measure. Better than Chara, Weber, Seabrook ect. Care to try again?
Is he anywhere close to those players mentioned? Maybe Seabrook other wise its not even close if he doesn`t put up 47 points there is no conversation here. I`m not saying the guy isn`t good he absolutely is but he is not elite, he is not a stud.

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And? Even if you look at position are you saying all the other guys are better than Giroux? Who probably would play RW (or any forward) if needed.
What do you mean "and" I think the explanation is pretty self explanatory on why it's relevant. Both Dan Hamhuis and Mark Giordano play the same position and side, I'm not here to chase moving targets.

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You'll notice the fans of other teams have no interest in this TJ Brodie type player. I guarantee if the player was actually TJ Brodie 29 teams would line up.
Where is there no interest? Care to prove your point about this?

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What do you mean "and" I think the explanation is pretty self explanatory on why it's relevant. Both Dan Hamhuis and Mark Giordano play the same position and side, I'm not here to chase moving targets.
You act like making the Olympics team is a determinant in being the better player, even if competing in a head to head spot, when it's clearly not. Victor Hedman also didn't get a spot on Sweden, are you telling me the same position and side players that made it over him are better?

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You act like making the Olympics team is a determinant in being the better player, even if competing in a head to head spot, when it's clearly not. Victor Hedman also didn't get a spot on Sweden, are you telling me the same position and side players that made it over him are better?
I'm not saying it's the only determining point. But, suggesting that Giordano a left handed defensenman that didn't make the Canadian team is "head and shoulders" better than Dan Hamhuis a left handed defenseman that did make the Canadian Olympic team is flawed. Also suggesting that a player like TJ Brodie, who's never anchored a pairing on his own is similar to Dan Hamhuis is also laughable.

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Chris Butler is crap.

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