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NYI - WPG: Forward for D swap

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07-02-2014, 05:18 PM
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NYI - WPG: Forward for D swap

With Grabo and Kulemin signed, NYI has a lot of top 9 forwards now, but are kind of shallow on D. Winnipeg has the opposite problem.

Ideas for a forward/defence swap between the two teams?

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If do somthing around Bailey Nd Buff

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If do somthing around Bailey Nd Buff
You need a lot more to get Buff than Bailey.

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You need a lot more to get Buff than Bailey.
No chance Garth goes after Buff. He shuffles between F and D way too much for the price he commands, he's out of shape, and is actually not that great at playing D.

Islanders need a RELIABLE, solid top 4 guy.

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I'm not so good at this but here it goes. Bailey + Grabner + Donovan for Dusty + 2/3 round pick

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Nelson/Grabner for Clitsome+?

Do the Isles need LHD or RHD more?

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No chance Garth goes after Buff. He shuffles between F and D way too much for the price he commands, he's out of shape, and is actually not that great at playing D.

Islanders need a RELIABLE, solid top 4 guy.
Please tell us more about our player.

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The player that Snow would likely have interest for is Bogosian. Buff doesn't fit what we're looking for.

If he's not available (he's not), then there will likely be no further discussion. Snow is also not going to sacrifice any of his prized kids, so those assets are not available.

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No chance Garth goes after Buff. He shuffles between F and D way too much for the price he commands, he's out of shape, and is actually not that great at playing D.

Islanders need a RELIABLE, solid top 4 guy.
Ignoring the out of shape stuff (he's big, but keeps up with the play) and his effectiveness (which is quite good), his shuffling from forward to D is the choice of the coaches, not his. He prefers D.

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Fair to say that any deals for a Dman - which is Snow's biggest target now, by far - will not be including Tavares, Okposo, Strome, Nelson or Reinhart.

Just about anyone else is discussable, although Nielsen would be very costly.

I wonder what Jets fans would think of Bailey, Grabner, Pulock, Sundstrom, and McDonald for Kane & Byfuglien?

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Nelson/Grabner for Clitsome+?

Do the Isles need LHD or RHD more?
Definitely not for Nelson, he isn't available. I think the forwards that have some value that are available would be Bailey, Clutterbuck, and Grabner, although Nielsen could be had but it would cost a lot to get him.

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Definitely not for Nelson, he isn't available. I think the forwards that have some value that are available would be Bailey, Clutterbuck, and Grabner, although Nielsen could be had but it would cost a lot to get him.
please please please don't trade clutteruck

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Fair to say that any deals for a Dman - which is Snow's biggest target now, by far - will not be including Tavares, Okposo, Strome, Nelson or Reinhart.

Just about anyone else is discussable, although Nielsen would be very costly.

I wonder what Jets fans would think of Bailey, Grabner, Pulock, Sundstrom, and McDonald for Kane & Byfuglien?
Holy blockbuster batman.

Don't really know anything about Sundstrom or McDonald. Really like Grabner and Pulock, Bailey is pretty good too. Is Nelson really off the table? Because I'd probably do Grabner, Pulock, Nelson for Kane and Buff.

Edit: I see another saying Nelson is not available

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I don't think Nelson is so much untouchable as just their fans really like him and don't want to move him. Same could be said with us and Bogo.

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I don't think Nelson is so much untouchable as just their fans really like him and don't want to move him. Same could be said with us and Bogo.
Here's a big thought provoker. I am a big Nelson fan but if we were to include Nelson in the deal would you include Bogosian?

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Clitsome + 3rd for Grabner?

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Nelson/Grabner for Clitsome+?

Do the Isles need LHD or RHD more?
I really hope you mean Nielsen and not Nelson and even then no, Clitsome isn't what the Islanders would be looking for.

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Here's a big thought provoker. I am a big Nelson fan but if we were to include Nelson in the deal would you include Bogosian?
I would say this is a good basis for a deal. Have Snow call Chevy to do the finishing touches an we're good. I suspect that we would need u to add a D prospect or a pick.

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Fair to say that any deals for a Dman - which is Snow's biggest target now, by far - will not be including Tavares, Okposo, Strome, Nelson or Reinhart.

Just about anyone else is discussable, although Nielsen would be very costly.


I wonder what Jets fans would think of Bailey, Grabner, Pulock, Sundstrom, and McDonald for Kane & Byfuglien?
The bolded is 100% true.

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I really hope you mean Nielsen and not Nelson and even then no, Clitsome isn't what the Islanders would be looking for.
I did mean Nelson but that was before realizing the value which he holds for you guys. I see a young big winger who put up 26 points but clearly there's more to him.

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I did mean Nelson but that was before realizing the value which he holds for you guys. I see a young big winger who put up 26 points but clearly there's more to him.
There is more to him, he's not available.

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I did mean Nelson but that was before realizing the value which he holds for you guys. I see a young big winger who put up 26 points but clearly there's more to him.
26 points for a guy who was in and out of the lineup and was used very poorly by capuano. Hes got tons of potential. Garth had a deal in place for a goalie last year and the other trade partner wanted Nelson. Garth backed out. Nelson is close to untouchable unless we get a top 2 dman back which is unlikely

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Here's a big thought provoker. I am a big Nelson fan but if we were to include Nelson in the deal would you include Bogosian?
Personally I would pursue a trade with both players as part of the deal.

See several Isles fans saying Buff isn't wanted ( fair ) that he isn't valuable ( not fair ) but not your preference is understood. However they counter with Bogosian but say virtually all significant pieces are off the table , that doesn't work.

You can use a young RHD with 5 years experience and the quintessential skill set that can step in and play big minutes and be a core piece for your D group. If that doesn't bring a player like Nelson to the offer , well then there would not be a deal , respectfully.

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Personally I would pursue a trade with both players as part of the deal.

See several Isles fans saying Buff isn't wanted ( fair ) that he isn't valuable ( not fair ) but not your preference is understood. However they counter with Bogosian but say virtually all significant pieces are off the table , that doesn't work.

You can use a young RHD with 5 years experience and the quintessential skill set that can step in and play big minutes and be a core piece for your D group. If that doesn't bring a player like Nelson to the offer , well then there would not be a deal , respectfully.
I was getting at a deal for Kane and Bogosian which I personally (even being a big Nelson fan) would make Nelson part of the package. Maybe something along the lines of Nelson, Pulock, grabner, Strait/Donovon

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I was getting at a deal for Kane and Bogosian which I personally (even being a big Nelson fan) would make Nelson part of the package. Maybe something along the lines of Nelson, Pulock, grabner, Strait/Donovon
You want Kane AND Bogosian ?

Doubt that happens , you'd need to include productive young experienced NHL'ers in the deal and from what the tone is here , the Isle fans aren't close to that.

Let's stay with you want/need a RHD and have a surplus of forwards . Work from that.

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