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07-02-2014, 11:26 PM
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We've seen some pretty bad trades happen before that I'd consider worse than Vinny

I.e. Gomez for McDonagh
Exactly. So are you banking on a GM making a Gaineyesque trade for Vinny? How often does that happen?

Using that logic i propose VL + Flyers 1st in 2015 + Couturier for Plekanec.

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07-02-2014, 11:26 PM
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With all the fireworks over from July 1, time to start stirring up the #hitz. Bills don't pay themselves over the summer. I'm looking forward to the annual Evgeni Malkin trade rumor in August. He may be going to the Habs, but they're waiting on another HUGE trade offer they put on the table with a team west of New York.


I still have hope Lecavalier can be traded. I don't really mind who or what we get back, even if we have to give up an asset to make it work, but I just hope whatever comes back gives Hextall a chance to make something productive out of it.

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You have to think with all that Kane has done re philly and winny that a trade has to be in place. Kane g jake!
He's probably just desperately trying to get out of winnipeg. In fact, he seems like the type of person who's probably reading this thread right now. (Hi Evander.)

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He's probably just desperately trying to get out of winnipeg. In fact, he seems like the type of person who's probably reading this thread right now. (Hi Evander.)
Ya that what players who just sign long term contracts with a team look to do.

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You said Hextall might be holding out for a "good" return. That was beyond ridiculous and wishful thinking.
What us your obsession with Vinny. You go into every thread about him and go on and on yet never talk how he was STILL a 1st line goal scorer this year(top90).

Maybe a deal hasn't happened because Vinny actually has a NMC and he has no reason yo go anywhere unless he wants to. And the you still have 2 teams that need yo come to an agreement on the trade.

Philly has NO reason to retain salary. Retain 2 mill then give a 4th liner 1 mill....that means that really you are paying that 4th liner 3 mill. At least with Vinny, we know he are getting a 20 goal scorer even if we shove him on the 4th line and 2nd PP.

Hell, on Montreal there was only 1 guy who beat him in goals last year DESPITE all the stuff he went thru.

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07-02-2014, 11:31 PM
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Kane is a fantastic player and even from my neck of the woods but I never like to see players treat their team the way he has been treating Winnipeg. There are thousands of people that pay tickets to see him and he's acting like a punk imo.

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He's probably just desperately trying to get out of winnipeg. In fact, he seems like the type of person who's probably reading this thread right now. (Hi Evander.)
It's obvious where he wants to go and where he wants to leave. He should just holdout for a trade!

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I don't take Eklund serious, the only exception is when he talks about the Flyers I do think there has been some truth to some of what he is sharing there in the past, so I will listen a little. Even then with the change in organizational direction and Hextall on board are his only reliable sources still able to give him information?

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FYI the Flyers are $2.5 million OVER the cap. Regardless of what Schreklund says the Flyers are screwed cap wise.

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FYI the Flyers are $2.5 million OVER the cap. Regardless of what Schreklund says. The Flyers are screwed cap wise.
With PRonger counting. When does Pronger's LTIR take go into effect?

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FYI the Flyers are $2.5 million OVER the cap. Regardless of what Schreklund says. The Flyers are screwed cap wise.
Almost 5 million comes back after Pronger is LTIR. Plus, we can always trade Grossmann who makes 3.5 mill. We have options.

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What us your obsession with Vinny. You go into every thread about him and go on and on yet never talk how he was STILL a 1st line goal scorer this year(top90).

Maybe a deal hasn't happened because Vinny actually has a NMC and he has no reason yo go anywhere unless he wants to. And the you still have 2 teams that need yo come to an agreement on the trade.

Philly has NO reason to retain salary. Retain 2 mill then give a 4th liner 1 mill....that means that really you are paying that 4th liner 3 mill. At least with Vinny, we know he are getting a 20 goal scorer even if we shove him on the 4th line and 2nd PP.

Hell, on Montreal there was only 1 guy who beat him in goals last year DESPITE all the stuff he went thru.
On Montreal, goals are not a primary indicator of value in a player. Speed, defensive responsibility, compete level and two-way play are valued. A 20 goal scorer who is -16 in plus/minus, terrible defensively, oft-injured including a debilitating back injury, slow, old and regressing at an alarming rate while still having 4 years left in a 4.5M AAV contract is considered POISON.

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With PRonger counting. When does Pronger's LTIR take go into effect?
Yes with Pronger counting. Regardless, the Flyers signed some dumb contracts.

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Holding everything up?

LOL If this is hold everything up... then is this to suggest that all of the free agents would be off of the market now if Vinny had been traded?

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What is the E-System (e1, e2, e3, etc.)?

The E-System was devised with the intelligent hockey fan in mind as a way for Eklund to give subtle clues to rumors that are posted, as well as to gauge the likelihood of a rumor turning into an actual trade or free agent signing.

E1 - This is a rumor that comes from a single reliable source not in any way directly connected to the players or teams involved.
E2 - This rumor is simply more than one reliable sources not in any way directly connected to the players or teams involved and not connected to each other. It does not have to equate to two E1's. It could be several E1's.
E3 - This rumor comes from a single source with ties somehow to the players or teams involved.
E4 - This rumor comes from more than one source with ties to the players or teams involved.
E5 - This rumor comes from source telling Eklund the deal is 100% done and just has not been announced yet.
I actually believe Eklund has alot of agents(ie "tie to the player") who call him to use him as a way to drive up their players values. Don't think he has many sources on the teams side.

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Eklund has such a lousy track record in predictions,... why is his word continually given such prominence?

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Neither do I.

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On Montreal, goals are not a primary indicator of value in a player. Speed, defensive responsibility, compete level and two-way play are valued. A 20 goal scorer who is -16 in plus/minus, terrible defensively, oft-injured including a debilitating back injury, slow, old and regressing at an alarming rate while still having 4 years left in a 4.5M AAV contract is considered POISON.

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For a team where the cap ceiling doesn't matter, the 4.5 is no big deal. His real money is $3.625 per year which is fine.

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I actually believe Eklund has alot of agents(ie "tie to the player") who call him to use him as a way to drive up their players values. Don't think he has many sources on the teams side.
You think gm's read hockeybuzz?

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Totally forgot the Flyers signed Zach Stortini to a two way deal this afternoon. That bumps up the cap numbers if he makes the club.

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For laughs perhaps.

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Totally forgot the Flyers signed Zach Stortini to a two way deal this afternoon. That bumps up the cap numbers if he makes the club.
He won't. He is an AHL signing.

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How can Lecavalier be holding up better players from being moved? That doesn't make sense.

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He won't. He is an AHL signing.
Yup. That he is.

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You said Hextall might be holding out for a "good" return. That was beyond ridiculous and wishful thinking.
Follow the very, very simple train of posts here dude.

-You assumed that other teams won't give anything for him and will want the Flyers to retain salary. You then also said his contract is too poisonous for any team to want.

-I pointed out that far worse deals have been signed just in the last day and stated that there's alternatives to why he hasn't been traded other then every GM out there thinking his contract is too "poisonous".

Point is that there's plenty of potential reasons why he's still in Philly. Point is that I was responding to your large assumptions and hyperbole, like I said.

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Yup. That he is.
We have some good young kids starting in the AHL this year and he us good for protection. We only wish we would demote Rosehill to join him.

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07-02-2014, 11:53 PM
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For a team where the cap ceiling doesn't matter, the 4.5 is no big deal. His real money is $3.625 per year which is fine.
Flyer fans underestimate how bad Vinny is defensively. GMs aren't stupid. They see the toll injuries have taken on Vinny. They see how ineffective he is in his own zone. They know he can't play wing. Can barely take a faceoff. Slow as molasses.

At this rate if regression VL is a huge risk even at 3.6 million. There are much better options. The fact he hasn't been traded speaks volumes. His NMC is a killer.

The Flyers will have to retain salary to dump VL otherwise he will remain a Glyer.

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