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07-05-2014, 09:31 PM
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Does filing for arbitration prevent a player from being signed to an offer sheet? I'm not exactly sure.
aye.. its does

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07-05-2014, 10:00 PM
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im guessing... and its just a guess.. but PK is looking for 8.5 over 8 years...
Then give him that. He's worth it. I don't even have to think twice about that one.

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07-05-2014, 10:03 PM
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aye.. its does
u sure?


Anyway. It's S.O.P. as far as I am concerned. Even Gorges went in arbitration. It's basically just a deadline for the team to hammer out an agreement before it goes out of their hand. It's not a war declaration, and it certainly is not indicative of bad blood between player and management.

The only bad thing is if the arbitration procedures actually execute. In that case, you end up with the team making an argument as to why the player sucks. Now, THAT destroys a player/management relationship

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07-05-2014, 10:16 PM
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The fact that this is dragging out, means that they likely are more than just 1M$ off or that they agree on salary but they can't agree on terms.
Or else I don't know why MB would drag out this situation. Eller situation is probably just pending the signing of PK.

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07-05-2014, 10:48 PM
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The last time a star player for us went to arbitration was Price. It was really a formality, he was signed well before they hit arbitration. I'm not worried about anything with PK. They're probably waiting on Subban's signing to sign Eller too, just to know how much they have to play with.

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07-05-2014, 10:52 PM
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The fact that this is dragging out, means that they likely are more than just 1M$ off or that they agree on salary but they can't agree on terms.
Could be term, salary, both, or just the desire to test the market once his remaining two years are up. I hope it's not the latter.

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07-06-2014, 12:34 AM
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This is actually good news... as long as it actually doesn't go to arbitration.

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07-06-2014, 12:58 AM
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As of right now, it's just a formality. I hope both players are locked up before the hearing.

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07-06-2014, 01:29 AM
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My goodness guy's,

Don't **** with yourselves and believe P.K. should get 9 million a year. Jesus Christ. For 500,000 more we could have Ovechkin or Malkin.

Holy **** you lunatics, don't kid yourselves would I rather have Ovechkin or Malkin over P.K.

YES.

P.K. is in the 7 - 8 Million range per year. Anything more is paying for his star personailty and the fame his name has garnered.

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Please excuse my ignorance, that's a part of hockey I don't know very well:
  • Is that bad news?
  • Does it mean it's "war"?
  • Is that the equivalent of couple counseling?
  • Does it just mean both parties want to find a fair deal but they just need neutral help to find it?
  • Should I get my MBA to get all this?
Thanks!
If it reaches arbitration the HABS will do all they can to make PK look bad to deteriorate his value to the arbitrators and PK will build himself up to look good to the arbitrators. So in essence yes it can get very ugly but both sides have to understand that this is the nature of the beast when they get in there.

If we happen to lose PK over this MB needs to get his ass shipped out.

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im not sure why anyone would say this is good news. I am sure it will be resolved well before arbitration but if it doesnt, he will get a 1-2 year deal, which is the worst case scenario....

it seems like a pressure tactic by PKs camp to sign him soon so the deal is done.....


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My goodness guy's,

Don't **** with yourselves and believe P.K. should get 9 million a year. Jesus Christ. For 500,000 more we could have Ovechkin or Malkin.

Holy **** you lunatics, don't kid yourselves would I rather have Ovechkin or Malkin over P.K.

YES.

P.K. is in the 7 - 8 Million range per year. Anything more is paying for his star personailty and the fame his name has garnered.
Subban > Ovechkin.

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Subban > Ovechkin.
I wouldn't even trade PK straight up for Crosby.

Ovechkin and Malkin are lol

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My goodness guy's,

Don't **** with yourselves and believe P.K. should get 9 million a year. Jesus Christ. For 500,000 more we could have Ovechkin or Malkin.

Holy **** you lunatics, don't kid yourselves would I rather have Ovechkin or Malkin over P.K.

YES.

P.K. is in the 7 - 8 Million range per year. Anything more is paying for his star personailty and the fame his name has garnered.
This is actually one of the elements considered during arbitration...

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases:

The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons.
Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL.
The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure.
The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal."
The performance and salary of any player alleged to be "comparable" to the player in the dispute.

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07-06-2014, 09:57 AM
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This is actually one of the elements considered during arbitration...

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases:

The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons.
Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL.
The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure.
The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal."
The performance and salary of any player alleged to be "comparable" to the player in the dispute.
Wow, thanks for that info man.

I'm reading through that list and Subban is pretty much scoring atleast an 8/10 on each one.

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07-06-2014, 10:03 AM
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I wouldn't even trade PK straight up for Crosby.

Ovechkin and Malkin are lol
But still,

This is a really funny joke. You do realize Crosby is still the best player in the world. Even with injuries, point per game pace is a joke to Crosby. He has, in every single season played, surpassed point per game pace, easily actually.

And even in his shortened seasons, for instance 2012-2013 he played 36 games and scored 56 points. Which would be good enough to be our second leading scorer this year, playing half as many games as our leader Pacioretty.

That is hilarious what you just said there.

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But still,

This is a really funny joke. You do realize Crosby is still the best player in the world. Even with injuries, point per game pace is a joke to Crosby. He has, in every single season played, surpassed point per game pace, easily actually.

And even in his shortened seasons, for instance 2012-2013 he played 36 games and scored 56 points. Which would be good enough to be our second leading scorer this year, playing half as many games as our leader Pacioretty.

That is hilarious what you just said there.
You don't need to fall into hyperboles, nevertheless.

I'd take Cosby over Subban. It'd be a heartbreak, but still do it.

I would never, in a thousand year, take Ovechkin over Subban. Ovechkin is just too 1-dimensional, the very thing ignorants accused Subban of being. Subban is an all-around fantastic defenseman. These are damn rare.

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Crosby is underpaid.

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Crosby is underpaid.
Haha, In a free-wheeling league, he'd be paid like 25 million a year. So in a sense, yeah.

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You don't need to fall into hyperboles, nevertheless.

I'd take Cosby over Subban. It'd be a heartbreak, but still do it.

I would never, in a thousand year, take Ovechkin over Subban. Ovechkin is just too 1-dimensional, the very thing ignorants accused Subban of being. Subban is an all-around fantastic defenseman. These are damn rare.
See, that is an accurate hockey decision, sure of course it'd be a heartbreak, but the deal is a no brainer.

I agree with you on Ovechkin. But hypothetically, P.K. would be the price for Ovy. And it would be pretty crazy to see number 8 in a habs jersey. Ovy does score those big goals we crave. So does P.K., just not as often, but as you said, also does far more to control the pace of a game.

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I wouldn't even trade PK straight up for Crosby.

Ovechkin and Malkin are lol
Not sure if serious...

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this is actually good news... As long as it actually doesn't go to arbitration.
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**** me,... PK again has to put up with arbitartion?

Pay him what he's worth!

Or don't be surprised if he signs an offer sheet to go elsewhere or leaves eagerly when he reaches UFA status.

Geez,... one of the best blueliners in the business can't get a top-5 defenseman equivalent offer?

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I can actually see Eller using these negotiations to get himself traded out of montreal. Subban I'm not so worried about.

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My goodness guy's,

Don't **** with yourselves and believe P.K. should get 9 million a year. Jesus Christ. For 500,000 more we could have Ovechkin or Malkin.

Holy **** you lunatics, don't kid yourselves would I rather have Ovechkin or Malkin over P.K.

YES.

P.K. is in the 7 - 8 Million range per year. Anything more is paying for his star personailty and the fame his name has garnered.
Finally some common sense middle of the Subban worshipping-festival.

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