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07-06-2014, 10:34 AM
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I can actually see Eller using these negotiations to get himself traded out of montreal. Subban I'm not so worried about.
Wish we'd package Eller over to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.

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07-06-2014, 10:38 AM
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**** me,... PK again has to put up with arbitartion?

Pay him what he's worth!

Or don't be surprised if he signs an offer sheet to go elsewhere or leaves eagerly when he reaches UFA status.

Geez,... one of the best blueliners in the business can't get a top-5 defenseman equivalent offer?
It makes me laugh that they give Markov 5.75 per for three years and won't pay PK talk about short sighted vision from Bergevin. If PK leaves which I feel may happen if he gets anywhere close to his asking in arbitration the HABS will be kicking themselves for years to come. He can't sign an offer sheet as he filed for arbitration but I see an award from arbitration in the 8-9 range quite possibly and I have a feeling the HABS walk away from that.

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This is actually one of the elements considered during arbitration...

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases:

The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons.
Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL.
The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure.
The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal."
The performance and salary of any player alleged to be "comparable" to the player in the dispute.
Youppi should be getting paid at least $5 million per year then.

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07-06-2014, 10:40 AM
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Wish we'd package Eller over to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.
I was thinking about the habs possibly going after bobby ryan with his contract ending next year. I could see ottawa getting spooked if he doesn't seem to want to re-up with them. Definitely an option.

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I hope MB can convince the arbitrator that PK's worth is $7.5/yr... that would seem fair IMO for both parties although no doubt MB would have to argue a lower amount (ex. $6.5M) to get there.
shea weber was awarded 7.8 in 2011....3 years later with a slightly larger cap I believe, is pk subban worth more than weber? I dunno...maybe right at around 7.5 is where he should be...comparables doughty and petro make 7 and 6.5, karlson won the Norris the same year he got 6.5...even though he signed before it.....but still...hope its under 8, but if not we got a damn good player for a long time.

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I was thinking about the habs possibly going after bobby ryan with his contract ending next year. I could see ottawa getting spooked if he doesn't seem to want to re-up with them. Definitely an option.
While I am not dismissing your opinion, do you think we'll have the cap size to resign him? Is it worth gambling Eller over the potential willingness of him signing with us?

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My goodness guy's,

Don't **** with yourselves and believe P.K. should get 9 million a year. Jesus Christ. For 500,000 more we could have Ovechkin or Malkin.

Holy **** you lunatics, don't kid yourselves would I rather have Ovechkin or Malkin over P.K.

YES.

P.K. is in the 7 - 8 Million range per year. Anything more is paying for his star personailty and the fame his name has garnered.
The salary cap was $56.7 million when Ovechkin and $56.8 million when Malkin signed their current deals, pretty ridiculous argument using salaries signed when the cap was 18% lower.

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People arguing the cap make me laugh. The point of the cap is not to give more money to a single player, but to be able to afford several expensive players. Instead of being able to afford 2 guys at 7M+, now with the cap going up it'll be possible to sign 3 guys at 7M+. Subban isn't worth more than Doughty. MB won't pay him anything over 7M/Per. 7x7 is fair game for both sides. If he's not happy, we can trade him. No player is bigger than the team, and especially not bigger than the greatest franchise in Hockey history, and second greatest franchise in all of North American sports, after the Yankees.

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If the org decides that DD/Galchenyuk is the future in the center position and trades Eller, i hope it's to get E. Kane.

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While I am not dismissing your opinion, do you think we'll have the cap size to resign him? Is it worth gambling Eller over the potential willingness of him signing with us?
Would be one of those deals that only goes through upon speaking to the agent of the other player. No way I pull the trigger on that deal without having a contract agreed upon before hand.

Logic being that Ryan A) probably wants out of ottawa just because B) might take a bit less to sign with a good team.

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In theory this gives the team till next summer to sign Subban.

But in reality it's more like three weeks. He can sign long-term
before the hearing. Or he can still sign after the award, but I
think before the date that the team has to accept the award.

Otherwise he will be playing on a one year contract. And I for
one, will be officially scared.

I'm making no claims as to which side is holding up this process,
but other players have been signed before it was expected. That
doesn't seem to be happening with either Subban or Eller. MB has
three weeks to change that.

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Yikes, i just read some comments on the tvasports website. People are still bashing hockey players because they make more money than doctors..

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People arguing the cap make me laugh. The point of the cap is not to give more money to a single player, but to be able to afford several expensive players. Instead of being able to afford 2 guys at 7M+, now with the cap going up it'll be possible to sign 3 guys at 7M+. Subban isn't worth more than Doughty. MB won't pay him anything over 7M/Per. 7x7 is fair game for both sides. If he's not happy, we can trade him. No player is bigger than the team, and especially not bigger than the greatest franchise in Hockey history, and second greatest franchise in all of North American sports, after the Yankees.
The intent of the cap is not that. Its to prevent teams with money buying winners (or attempting to).

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Yikes, i just read some comments on the tvasports website. People are still bashing hockey players because they make more money than doctors..
Well, the anger isn't unjustified... just pointed in the wrong direction.

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Would be one of those deals that only goes through upon speaking to the agent of the other player. No way I pull the trigger on that deal without having a contract agreed upon before hand.

Logic being that Ryan A) probably wants out of ottawa just because B) might take a bit less to sign with a good team.
Ryan seems like the kind of player whose first choice would be to return to the US, especially if his Ottawa experience is as bad as it seems from a distance considering the state of that team.

Worth kicking the tires though.

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My take on the Subban's situation is that PK most likely got good feel of the market and knew that no suitable offer sheet will be presented so he (in my opionion wisely) chose to file for arbitration in order to ensure that matter is resolved well before the season.

I sincerely doubt that Subban reaches arbitration. Unless PK truly wants out (i.e. he only wants two year deal to UFA) he should, and most likely will, be signed before the hearing.

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Wish we'd package Eller over to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.
Acquire all the marshmallow forwards !

Softies, softies everywhere!

Everything the sun touches is full of floaters!


Pick your meme. You need talent and skill to win, but you also need character and toughness. If we go after Ryan with Eller, I give up entirely.

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Wish we'd package Eller over to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.
Ryan sucks. He will never win anything in his career.

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While I am not dismissing your opinion, do you think we'll have the cap size to resign him? Is it worth gambling Eller over the potential willingness of him signing with us?
We do have the cap space if Eller is the price going back, especially because the cap is going up again next year.

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.685m)
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($0.925m) / P-A Parenteau ($4.000m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Jiri Sekac ($0.925m)
Brandon Prust ($2.500m) / Manny Malhotra ($0.850m) / Dale Weise ($1.025m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($8.500m)
Alexei Emelin ($4.100m) / Tom Gilbert ($2.800m)
Nathan Beaulieu ($0.925m) / Mike Weaver ($1.750m)
Jarred Tinordi ($0.870m) /
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.400m)
BUYOUTS
Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
Scott Gomez ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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Acquire all the marshmallow forwards !

Softies, softies everywhere!

Everything the sun touches is full of floaters!


Pick your meme. You need talent and skill to win, but you also need character and toughness. If we go after Ryan with Eller, I give up entirely.
And Eller is tough? While he may player a solid grind along the boards style, he is hardly what I would consider a tough player, not to mention despite his playoff performance, he has struggled with consistency far more than Bobby Ryan has.

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Ryan sucks. He will never win anything in his career.
Multiple 30 goal seasons, 48 points are a dismal Ottawa team. Certainly the resume of a player who sucks. By that token, one could argue Pacioretty sucks because he's "never won anything in his career" either.

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Nick Bonino went from AHLer to 50 point player playing with Getzlaf/Perry on the PP. I would not put much stock into what Ryan did in Anaheim. He's also another Vanek situation, he's made it clear multiple times he's going to Philly.

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Nick Bonino went from AHLer to 50 point player playing with Getzlaf/Perry on the PP. I would not put much stock into what Ryan did in Anaheim. He's also another Vanek situation, he's made it clear multiple times he's going to Philly.
Has he? I don't pay attention to anything that comes out of ottawa

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We do have the cap space if Eller is the price going back, especially because the cap is going up again next year.

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.685m)
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($0.925m) / P-A Parenteau ($4.000m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Jiri Sekac ($0.925m)
Brandon Prust ($2.500m) / Manny Malhotra ($0.850m) / Dale Weise ($1.025m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($8.500m)
Alexei Emelin ($4.100m) / Tom Gilbert ($2.800m)
Nathan Beaulieu ($0.925m) / Mike Weaver ($1.750m)
Jarred Tinordi ($0.870m) /
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.400m)
BUYOUTS
Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
Scott Gomez ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,788,333; BONUSES: $3,472,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,211,667
You really think Bobby Ryan will satisfy himself with a mere 5,1M$?

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Bobby Ryan and his fiance love Ottawa and what to resign.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/04/03/...-happy-to-stay

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This Bobby Ryan talk makes me mad.

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