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07-06-2014, 04:25 PM
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If the org decides that DD/Galchenyuk is the future in the center position and trades Eller, i hope it's to get E. Kane.
That would be a very dumb decision.

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07-06-2014, 04:26 PM
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Whats the deadline before going infront of the arbitrator

July 15? Aug 1st ? Aug 15 ? Sept 1st?

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07-06-2014, 04:30 PM
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My take on the Subban's situation is that PK most likely got good feel of the market and knew that no suitable offer sheet will be presented so he (in my opionion wisely) chose to file for arbitration in order to ensure that matter is resolved well before the season.
Or he absolutely wants to play for the habs, and this is his best safety net.

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07-06-2014, 05:15 PM
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Or he absolutely wants to play for the habs, and this is his best safety net.
Or he wants to be UFA in 1-2 years.

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07-06-2014, 05:17 PM
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Or he wants to be UFA in 1-2 years.
Maybe. Would be a disaster if true because he was willing to sign long term with us and he always wanted to play for the habs.

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07-06-2014, 05:45 PM
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Nick Bonino went from AHLer to 50 point player playing with Getzlaf/Perry on the PP. I would not put much stock into what Ryan did in Anaheim. He's also another Vanek situation, he's made it clear multiple times he's going to Philly.
Ryan put up 48 points in 70 games, which, when prorated, is right around his Anaheim production. So what excuses are there to justify essentially the same results on a vastly inferior team? It's far more likely he would perform better if traded. Unless you believe we can't match Turris.

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You really think Bobby Ryan will satisfy himself with a mere 5,1M$?
That roster was for 2014-15. His contract renewal is next year, which we could afford.

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07-06-2014, 05:46 PM
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Wish we'd package Eller over to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.
If you want Bobby you'll have to give much much more than Ellers considering the facts that: Ott is in the same division, Legwand siging, and Ellers is a 3rd line center at best

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Wish we'd package Eller over to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.
Wish it would be DD.

"But he's a 60 point player! He's the center you really want!"

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07-06-2014, 06:01 PM
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If you want Bobby you'll have to give much much more than Ellers considering the facts that: Ott is in the same division, Legwand siging, and Ellers is a 3rd line center at best
Ryan is one year out from being a UFA. Ottawa would only be trading him if he's tracking towards not re-signing with them (and really, who would blame him if he didn't want to). In that case, you're only trading for the last bit of Ryan's contract, and look how much that netted in trade for the likes of Spezza and Vanek.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan ends up getting traded and Ottawa not even getting roster players back this year.

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07-06-2014, 06:27 PM
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Ryan is one year out from being a UFA. Ottawa would only be trading him if he's tracking towards not re-signing with them (and really, who would blame him if he didn't want to). In that case, you're only trading for the last bit of Ryan's contract, and look how much that netted in trade for the likes of Spezza and Vanek.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan ends up getting traded and Ottawa not even getting roster players back this year.
Still Ellers won't land you Ryan it's not even close

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07-06-2014, 06:36 PM
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Still Ellers won't land you Ryan it's not even close
Going to be funny when Ryan goes for a 2nd and a B prospect.

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07-06-2014, 06:40 PM
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Can the Habs somehow lower the amount they think he's worth to lower what the Arbitration judge can give him? Can they say "We think he's worth 6".

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Can the Habs somehow lower the amount they think he's worth to lower what the Arbitration judge can give him? Can they say "We think he's worth 6".
The entire process is ugly.. it's basically the team trying to de-value the player in order to get a smaller monetary reward.

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The salary cap was $56.7 million when Ovechkin and $56.8 million when Malkin signed their current deals, pretty ridiculous argument using salaries signed when the cap was 18% lower.
So because there is more money available now, we should give it away? P.K. Subban in every other fan base except ours is not worth as much as Ovechkin.... The most prolific goal scorer in the NHL. Cap ******** does not change the value of players. This is not soccer where we just throw heaping piles of money at players because we can.

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People arguing the cap make me laugh. The point of the cap is not to give more money to a single player, but to be able to afford several expensive players. Instead of being able to afford 2 guys at 7M+, now with the cap going up it'll be possible to sign 3 guys at 7M+. Subban isn't worth more than Doughty. MB won't pay him anything over 7M/Per. 7x7 is fair game for both sides. If he's not happy, we can trade him. No player is bigger than the team, and especially not bigger than the greatest franchise in Hockey history, and second greatest franchise in all of North American sports, after the Yankees.
Someone who understands this. You see YMCM Beaulieu, it is not ridiculous if you think about it logically. The players value stay's the same, the cap goes up, so that maybe, maybe we can afford to have other good players too. If you think MB is going to say "Let P.K. into the bank! Because why? Because the caps going up boys!!!"
Then you are ridiculous.

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The intent of the cap is not that. Its to prevent teams with money buying winners (or attempting to).
That is the basic function of the cap. Not the entire purpose, not at all. Yes it is in place to keep teams competitive, otherwise we would be an 8 team league because nobody could keep up with large hockey markets. But as Highstick14 said essentially is because of the salary cap, teams are NOT ABLE to over value players. They cannot devote more than a fair share to a single player.

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So because there is more money available now, we should give it away? P.K. Subban in every other fan base except ours is not worth as much as Ovechkin.... The most prolific goal scorer in the NHL. Cap ******** does not change the value of players. This is not soccer where we just throw heaping piles of money at players because we can.



Someone who understands this. You see YMCM Beaulieu, it is not ridiculous if you think about it logically. The players value stay's the same, the cap goes up, so that maybe, maybe we can afford to have other good players too. If you think MB is going to say "Let P.K. into the bank! Because why? Because the caps going up boys!!!"
Then you are ridiculous.



That is the basic function of the cap. Not the entire purpose, not at all. Yes it is in place to keep teams competitive, otherwise we would be an 8 team league because nobody could keep up with large hockey markets. But as Highstick14 said essentially is because of the salary cap, teams are NOT ABLE to over value players. They cannot devote more than a fair share to a single player.
And yet look at the $90M+ signings under the cap, and the frightening over valuation of free agents.

Let's give the plug double his value, but hard ball our stars....

That's a definite disconnect here.

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And yet look at the $90M+ signings under the cap, and the frightening over valuation of free agents.

Let's give the plug double his value, but hard ball our stars....

That's a definite disconnect here.
Yes, but concerning our team, Bergevin has notoriously NOT done exactly that.

Bergevin is notably cheap concerning players salaries. Would you not agree?

We did not land any big free agents. In-fact Bergevin lowered our cap hit further. And by making room for our young guy's has set us up for cheap years from a few players.

It is funny that the very same people saying pay Subban the moon if he wants are the very same people who are saying when we have Subban and Beaulieu we will be dynamite. Yeah well what about when Beaulieu commands 6 million. But we can only offer 4 million because if only p.k. signed for 7 million not 9 million.

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Yes, but concerning our team, Bergevin has notoriously NOT done exactly that.

Bergevin is notably cheap concerning players salaries. Would you not agree?

We did not land any big free agents. In-fact Bergevin lowered our cap hit further. And by making room for our young guy's has set us up for cheap years from a few players.

It is funny that the very same people saying pay Subban the moon if he wants are the very same people who are saying when we have Subban and Beaulieu we will be dynamite. Yeah well what about when Beaulieu commands 6 million. But we can only offer 4 million because if only p.k. signed for 7 million not 9 million.
You're right about MB. He's more fiscally conservative. I'll debate, though, his choice to not pay our best players comparable salaries to stars on other teams.

By the time Beaulieu deserves $6M, the cap will be at $95M.

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Just the fact that Subban had to file for arbitration is moronic. Should have been signed to a long term deal somewhere last year.

Not looking good so far, but it could get better in the next few days. Let's wait and see.

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Just the fact that Subban had to file for arbitration is moronic. Should have been signed to a long term deal somewhere last year.

Not looking good so far, but it could get better in the next few days. Let's wait and see.
He wanted a mid range deal that took him to UFA. It wasn't a retirement 15 year contract he was asking for prior to the lockout.

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And yet look at the $90M+ signings under the cap, and the frightening over valuation of free agents.

Let's give the plug double his value, but hard ball our stars....

That's a definite disconnect here.
That's the name of the game. You give more to outsiders cause you want to lure them to your club.

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That's the name of the game. You give more to outsiders cause you want to lure them to your club.
I'm talking about the plugs.

And really? Give the outsiders better treatment than your own family?

Don't like that, personally.

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I hope MB can convince the arbitrator that PK's worth is $7.5/yr... that would seem fair IMO for both parties although no doubt MB would have to argue a lower amount (ex. $6.5M) to get there.
On a one-year deal, Subban won't get $8M. On a two-year deal, which the HAbs can opt for, he might get $7.5M, but the problem is he goes straight to UFA status after two years. The Habs won't do that.

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Roy.. its part of the process.. Arb is a way to avoid hold outs and guarantees a contract to be signed.. it doesnt however mean that they will go to Arbitration on july 21st.


They have until then to sign any deal to avoid an arbitrator...


However, even if they do go to Arbitration and subban gets say... 7.3m

they could still sign him afterwards and add 8 years to that contract....

As for signing an 8-year extension after a one-year arbitration award, it can only be signed after Jan 1 2015.

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i see an award from arbitration in the 8-9 range quite possibly and i have a feeling the habs walk away from that.
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The entire process is ugly.. it's basically the team trying to de-value the player in order to get a smaller monetary reward.
I can't see why it would go ugly. I think it will be a matter of the team showing how Subban is similar to stars like Karlsson and Pietrangelo, the latter signing a contract within the current CBA, and Subban wanting to be compared to star players who signed in previous CBA's.

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