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07-06-2014, 03:09 PM
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Im not saying you " should" or "should not" trade him. Im just being truthful. Apparently there is some reason to believe(AGAIN for whatever reason). He is a great player and deserves a great return however if it IS true that he requested a trade or was unhappy for some reason and other owners know this, his return will not be what you may want. Just saying

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Total habs fan here:

Plekanec, Budaj, Tinordi, 2nd

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It's going to take Fucale and a 1st included.

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It's going to take Fucale and a 1st included.
We really don't need Fucale.

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07-06-2014, 03:22 PM
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We really don't need Fucale.
Or Budaj.

Or Plekanec.

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07-06-2014, 03:29 PM
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There's no reason for Winnipeg to trade EK this summer unless someone is offering top value. The Jets can afford to wait at least two more years before making a final decision. If Kane scores 30-35+ goals this upcoming season (very possible) his value skyrockets.

Some simple guidelines:

- Don't even bother if you're offering up players nearing/over 30 years old. They're not worth much to a team who isn't going to be competitive short-term.
- Top prospects must be on the table. We don't want your 4th or 5th best unproven player as a main piece.


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07-06-2014, 03:30 PM
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I'd offer Hamhuis + Hansen + something else from Vancouver. Does Winnipeg still have a need at LHD?

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07-06-2014, 03:34 PM
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Looking back at the bobby Ryan trade... It was bobby Ryan for a 1st round Stefan nosean and Jakob silverberg.. Evander Kane hasn't proven he can be a top line winger yet like bobby Ryan but the value is close. Something like Detroit would be a good trade partner. Maybe evander Kane for Tatar and a 2015 2nd? The 2015 2nd is going to be closer to the 3rd round... Plus Kane gives that much needed physical edge that Detroit could use

Tatar is a proven 2nd liner. Not sure if he can play the pk like Kane can, but Kane has more offensive upside and would be given a good opportunity to play top line with datsyuk and zetterberg. Both teams still stay young

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07-06-2014, 03:36 PM
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There's no reason for Winnipeg to trade EK this summer unless someone is offering top value. The Jets can afford to wait at least two more years before making a final decision. If Kane scores 30-35+ goals this upcoming season (very possible) his value skyrockets.

Some simple guidelines:

- Don't even bother if you're offering up players nearing/over 30 years old. They're not worth much to a team who isn't going to be competitive short-term.
- Top prospects must be on the table. We don't want your 4th or 5th best unproven player.
People just don't give up their top prospects anymore, it doesn't happen.

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Looking back at the bobby Ryan trade... It was bobby Ryan for a 1st round Stefan nosean and Jakob silverberg.. Evander Kane hasn't proven he can be a top line winger yet like bobby Ryan but the value is close. Something like Detroit would be a good trade partner. Maybe evander Kane for Tatar and a 2015 2nd? The 2015 2nd is going to be closer to the 3rd round... Plus Kane gives that much needed physical edge that Detroit could use

Tatar is a proven 2nd liner. Not sure if he can play the pk like Kane can, but Kane has more offensive upside and would be given a good opportunity to play top line with datsyuk and zetterberg. Both teams still stay young
Nope. Mantha or Larkin would have to be involved.

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Nope. Mantha or Larkin would have to be involved.
Detroit would never give up they're top prospects. Plus we would lose a second line left wing for prospects that aren't ready. Now we have two holes to fill

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Looking back at the bobby Ryan trade... It was bobby Ryan for a 1st round Stefan nosean and Jakob silverberg.. Evander Kane hasn't proven he can be a top line winger yet like bobby Ryan but the value is close. Something like Detroit would be a good trade partner. Maybe evander Kane for Tatar and a 2015 2nd? The 2015 2nd is going to be closer to the 3rd round... Plus Kane gives that much needed physical edge that Detroit could use

Tatar is a proven 2nd liner. Not sure if he can play the pk like Kane can, but Kane has more offensive upside and would be given a good opportunity to play top line with datsyuk and zetterberg. Both teams still stay young
Hope you are not Chevy...not enough value for my liking, Wings would do that in a heartbeat

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People just don't give up their top prospects anymore, it doesn't happen.
Well, you're not getting Kane then. He's not far removed from being a top prospect himself. He's 22... could be on your team for another 12-15 years FFS.

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Detroit would never give up they're top prospects. Plus we would lose a second line left wing for prospects that aren't ready. Now we have two holes to fill
Look elsewhere then. You're not getting one of our top players without giving up any of your own.

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People just don't give up their top prospects anymore, it doesn't happen.
Washington gave up a pretty good one for martin erat of all people.

You can't make broad generalizations in this league. It only takes one out of 30 Gms to do something silly. Just from the experience as a sabres fan...they got 4 pieces for pomminville (a 1, a 2, larsson and Hackett) with just over a year left in term, 5 pieces for miller/ott (halak, Stewart, carrier, a 1, and a 3 that could have become a 1) at the deadline, and we know what vanek with less than a year landed them (see flow chart floating around). If you are patient and wait for the offers to come...you can still get stupid value in this league.

That's why people who want to compare some of these situations with players demanding out, or that the team is trying to dump, or that have NTCs...it's silly.

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Once again with using the Bobby Ryan trade as an example. Anaheim had to move him for cap space issues. They would have loved to have kept him. Winnipeg doesn't need to move anyone for cap space issues.

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Once again with using the Bobby Ryan trade as an example. Anaheim had to move him for cap space issues. They would have loved to have kept him. Winnipeg doesn't need to move anyone for cap space issues.
Evander "Mo' Money, No Problems" Kane probably feels at home.

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Look elsewhere then. You're not getting one of our top players without giving up any of your own.
I will agree then, Tatar has 1 season in him. Kane for Tatar, Larkin and 2015 2nd. That's very close in value to the bobby Ryan trade. I'm a jets fan, so I'm just spitballing. I want to see Detroit fans in this thread

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Well, you're not getting Kane then. He's not far removed from being a top prospect himself. He's 22... could be on your team for another 12-15 years FFS.
The sellers always lose nowadays, not saying Kane isn't an amazing player but stars just don't have the same pricetag as a few years ago.

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07-06-2014, 03:58 PM
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The sellers always lose nowadays, not saying Kane isn't an amazing player but stars just don't have the same pricetag as a few years ago.
Again...not true. Proven not true. Just...you know...false. The sellers lose when they have no choice or the player holds the cards. Which isn't the case.

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Again...not true. Proven not true. Just...you know...false. The sellers lose when they have no choice or the player holds the cards. Which isn't the case.
What did James Neal get at 22? Bobby Ryan? I was in denial when we were trying to move Spezza that he was going to get full value because he's such a great player, and it didn't happen. Even the rumoured deal of Hornqvist +1st that got shut down wasn't full value.

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Again...not true. Proven not true. Just...you know...false. The sellers lose when they have no choice or the player holds the cards. Which isn't the case.
The thing is, these players don't generally get moved unless they have to be for various reasons, so when they get moved people see an underwhelming return and think oh I guess that's what all star players should be returning. And in Evander Kane's case, there is no pressing need to move him as you say.

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The thing is, these players don't generally get moved unless they have to be for various reasons, so when they get moved people see an underwhelming return and think oh I guess that's what all star players should be returning. And in Evander Kane's case, there is no pressing need to move him as you say.
Exactly. Spezza requested a trade, therefor the price of him dropped because the Sens didn't have all the leverage. But with Kane, the Jets don't need to move him, so if a team wants him, they have to give Chevy what he wants, or he can hang up.

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Exactly. Spezza requested a trade, therefor the price of him dropped because the Sens didn't have all the leverage. But with Kane, the Jets don't need to move him, so if a team wants him, they have to give Chevy what he wants, or he can hang up.
I'm not saying Kane isn't a great player, because he is. I just think Jets fans need to check their expectations or they're going to be disappointed, Kane and Ryan are very similar players in terms of production and I think that's the kind of return you'll get. I just can't see someone giving up a top prospect like Lazar or Lehner for him.

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Winnepeg , you will not going to get more assets qnd prospects in a trade than kessler or spezza did , both players are better than kane and have proven something . Kane is a young player who has shown promise to be a good player but is inconsistent and has issues with attitude . I understand he was drafted forth overall but he isnt worth a boat load of players.

A more than fair prospal will be wiercoch a second and colin greening . And if winnepeg fans say he doesnt show attitude , well they are oblivious for kane takes stupid pictures , makes stupid comments and is a healthy scracth once in a while for doing something dumb that makes people think of winnepeg of a awfull place , meanwhile its a wondrfull city. Btw I am not a sens fan so have a good day

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