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07-07-2014, 12:43 AM
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Your sarcasm is annoying - borderline insulting to the sport.

There's nothing wrong with a fight as it pertains to the game of hockey. When emotions are strong and two guys have to settle a score, I think we all enjoy that from time to time. But, the days of the heavyweight are going by the wayside. I'm one of the people here who does see some value in Boll, but it's not as a fighter, it's as a guy that's liked around the locker room and is at least willing to protect his teammates.

There's nothing fun or exciting about watching two guys who are 6'4" or taller and can't skate, drop the gloves. 9 times out of 10 it's a hugging match that gets blown out of proportion. The tenth time, someone ends up on the ice with a severe head injury. Real exciting? No, it's a sideshow. Give me a team full of 20 guys who are willing to drop the gloves to defend each other or atone for an ugly hit, before you give me one heavyweight who can't take a regular shift and is only good for one thing.

I see some value in Jared Boll. I think his contract is ugly and he has to be kept in his role, but to glorify him as someone who is more than a #12-#14 forward is idiotic.
I can't think of one "sideshow" fight that didn't have any meaning to the game at hand last year, so I'm not sure why you have made this your point.

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the coaches believe he's important, the guys in the room feel he's important, when are the rest of you going to understand what the professionals already understand?
You mean the coaches who found ways to get Tropp in the lineup at his expense, the ones who played him in the season's final week and in the playoffs only when left with no other options?

I Like Jared and posted earlier in this thread what I think he brings to the team and offered thoughts as to why the FO would want to keep him around. This, despite the FO clearly adding role players of a different ilk per its own stated plan.

Here's my point. Boll is reality based on his contract, and he's been a legit NHL player for several years (as opposed to guys like Gibbons, Hjalmarsson, etc) But his defenders need to stop saying things like "the coaches and the front office agree with me" when it's not 100% that they do.

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I agree completely with the OP and signed up to HFBoards after lurking for months just to chime in in support. So, to that point, here is a cut/paste of a post I wrote on May 14th on another board:



Since that original post, I am no longer sincere in my request to have it explained to me because that seems to go exclusively to advanced statistics, which may be useful in context, but are not how team sports are played and in any event bore the living crap outta me. I don't sit around doing stats homework to determine if someone is good for my team...I just watch a lot of hockey. And I, for one, am extremely glad Jared Boll will be on my team for years to come.
I'm amazed that there's anyone who believes that what the Pens needed was more Glass and Engelland!


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I don't think this is really that complicated. If Boll is healthy and playing to the best of his abilities, he'll be a welcomed fixture on the 4th line. If Boll isn't as good (like last year) he will be sitting in the press box.

Some strange reality where people think a sucky Boll will play over better players because he has a 3 year contract is weird.

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I don't think this is really that complicated. If Boll is healthy and playing to the best of his abilities, he'll be a welcomed fixture on the 4th line. If Boll isn't as good (like last year) he will be sitting in the press box.

Some strange reality where people think a sucky Boll will play over better players because he has a 3 year contract is weird.
I tend to agree with you. It will be fun to see how the dust settles with the 4th line coming out of camp. I would like to see a healthy Boll earn a spot and justify that contract instead of just sitting. His contract is Jarmo's worst move so far, imo

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My issue with Boll is that he's not worth $1.7 million a year. Not even close.

He clearly does not drive possession (stats back it up). His fighting has decreased steadily, so the whole "we need him to protect our guys!!" argument doesn't even work. We made the playoffs last season with him mostly absent. He is never healthy for a full season, so are we vastly overpaying him for his "locker room leadership" and ability to check the boards more often than the opposition?

I don't mind guys who are willing to step up and fight for their teammates obviously, but in the NHL now you have to be more than just an "enforcer." $1.7 million for 7 minutes a night and likely <60 games? Pass.


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Let's cut out the use of 'nicknames'. The guy has earned enough respect to avoid using derogatory nicknames.

Frankly, taking these sorts of jabs says a lot more about the poster than they do the player.

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I don't think this is really that complicated. If Boll is healthy and playing to the best of his abilities, he'll be a welcomed fixture on the 4th line. If Boll isn't as good (like last year) he will be sitting in the press box.
This, obviously. However, I think the discussion is more about how folks believe the process 'should' play out.

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Regardless of Boll's contract, is there anyone that thinks this has an impact on team decisions? if Jared is healthy he can bring a positive to the 4th line. If he isn't or doesn't play well he sits. The $1.7MM really has no bearing on this team. At least I don't see how it does.

I like Jared but have no problem if he were in the press box or even bought out. I do think he offers some value that may not be tangible on the score sheet. I see a guy that wears the "A" at times. The same "A" given by the coach as is the ice time. Jared isn't a "fighter" but certainly willing and able to stick up for his team.

He may be the 13th or 14th forward but at that point is there really a 13th or 14th better option? I guess the way I see it you can be the best 13th forward in the NHL but you're still in the press box. When Jared keeps someone of value off the team maybe then I'll complain but at this point he's loved in the lockerroom, gives it 100% on the ice and when healthy does provide some size and the ability to help pin the opposition deep in their end all the while looking over their shoulder.

I'll see how he does this year and maybe reconsider my meh position.

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He's pretty much had far and away had the worst Corsi % over the last three years among "regulars," if you're into advanced stats.

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I don't buy that. They did have Tanner Glass under their employ, who may be the dirtiest player in the entire league.
Yep, they did. Deryk Engelland, too. And, as the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review sports columnist stated in the excerpt of the column I included above, the decision to healthy scratch Glass and not dress Engelland in the playoffs was a mistake that he believed should have brought Bylsma's career with the team to an end.

Again, my point isn't about the CBJ/Pens playoff series or Boll vs. any particular team. I'm simply pointing to an article about an NHL team that makes a sharp (and, IMO, overlooked) point about the value of having 'tough guys' on an NHL team's 4th line.

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You mean the coaches who found ways to get Tropp in the lineup at his expense, the ones who played him in the season's final week and in the playoffs only when left with no other options?

I Like Jared and posted earlier in this thread what I think he brings to the team and offered thoughts as to why the FO would want to keep him around. This, despite the FO clearly adding role players of a different ilk per its own stated plan.

Here's my point. Boll is reality based on his contract, and he's been a legit NHL player for several years (as opposed to guys like Gibbons, Hjalmarsson, etc) But his defenders need to stop saying things like "the coaches and the front office agree with me" when it's not 100% that they do.
To be fair, I don't think he was ever close to 100% healthy and really struggled to get back to normal and up to speed with missing 5 months and jumping in to the playoff chase and playoffs. I think if they are both 100% healthy and on equal footing, Boll plays every time over Tropp, unless Tropp brings something significantly more than he did this year. Only time will tell

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My issue with Boll is that he's not worth $1.7 million a year. Not even close.

He clearly does not drive possession (stats back it up). His fighting has decreased steadily, so the whole "we need him to protect our guys!!" argument doesn't even work. We made the playoffs last season with him mostly absent. He is never healthy for a full season, so are we vastly overpaying him for his "locker room leadership" and ability to check the boards more often than the opposition?

I don't mind guys who are willing to step up and fight for their teammates obviously, but in the NHL now you have to be more than just an "enforcer." $1.7 million for 7 minutes a night and likely <60 games? Pass.
I think when he's 100% healthy, basically throw out last year to give a fair comparison, that they do drive things(the 4th line) and it doesn't always show up on the stat sheet, but many, many nights the 4th line has been our best line, especially early last season and previous seasons. His fighting has decreased as he has become a better fighter and earned his stripes, not everyone is so quick to challenge him. If a cop's arrest record dips, it could just mean there is less crime because of the cops presence in the community

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To be fair, I don't think he was ever close to 100% healthy and really struggled to get back to normal and up to speed with missing 5 months and jumping in to the playoff chase and playoffs. I think if they are both 100% healthy and on equal footing, Boll plays every time over Tropp, unless Tropp brings something significantly more than he did this year. Only time will tell
You make a fair point but cleverly allow yourself an out ("he must be hurt") should Tropp earn a job over him.

With D'Amigo, Gibbons and Hjalmarsson on two-ways and Tropp on a one-way, it would appear, based on contracts, that a fourth line of Tropp-Letestu-Boll would have the inside track.

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...With D'Amigo, Gibbons and Hjalmarsson on two-ways and Tropp on a one-way, it would appear, based on contracts, that a fourth line of Tropp-Letestu-Boll would have the inside track.
Perhaps you're right, but I'm very interested in seeing how the new guys fit. I really believe the only sure roster member of the above list is Letestu and what line he plays on may depend on trades, injuries, etc. The rest could shake out in any number of ways. If they all are better than Boll, for example, he could be even more overpaid in Springfield or traded. If RJ and his contract can be traded, there must be a market for Boll, somewhere! That's not to say that it's impossible for him to come into camp and be the best fit amongst them all for the fourth line. Not the way I'd bet, but I'm not the coach.

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Perhaps you're right, but I'm very interested in seeing how the new guys fit. I really believe the only sure roster member of the above list is Letestu and what line he plays on may depend on trades, injuries, etc. The rest could shake out in any number of ways. If they all are better than Boll, for example, he could be even more overpaid in Springfield or traded. If RJ and his contract can be traded, there must be a market for Boll, somewhere! That's not to say that it's impossible for him to come into camp and be the best fit amongst them all for the fourth line. Not the way I'd bet, but I'm not the coach.
No doubt, pete. I was oversimplifying on purpose. I have said in a couple of places that the FO appears to be targeting depth/4th line-type players of a certain ilk - of which Jared is not.

As posters from multiple perspectives have said, I have no doubt that they'll throw 'em all out there and let players earn roster spots.

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No doubt, pete. I was oversimplifying on purpose. I have said in a couple of places that the FO appears to be targeting depth/4th line-type players of a certain ilk - of which Jared is not.

As posters from multiple perspectives have said, I have no doubt that they'll throw 'em all out there and let players earn roster spots.
Yes, I was not disagreeing, at all. As you pointed out, though, contracts do provide a handy guide to the point from which each guy starts. From there, it's all up to them.

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No doubt, pete. I was oversimplifying on purpose. I have said in a couple of places that the FO appears to be targeting depth/4th line-type players of a certain ilk - of which Jared is not.

As posters from multiple perspectives have said, I have no doubt that they'll throw 'em all out there and let players earn roster spots.
I'm not clear, are you saying that the FO have targeting only depth/4th line players for those qualities? My impression was that it was a set of qualities they'd like to see spread throughout the roster, all lines and pairs, which is why there was some talk about the Hartnell trade and his not being particularly fast. Point being, if JD/JK et al. are targeting those qualities generally, then Boll isn't as implicated as being a misfit on the 4th line.

As to your earlier post about inside-track based on contracts, I think I'd like to see Gibbons on the team primarily for his PK. I'd go for a Gibbons-Letestu-Boll line. I was reading through the Pens thread on Gibbons and many were expressing that Gibbons would do better with a heavy or two out there to open up space. (They were also not happy with his play alongside Crosby on the first line)

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I'm not clear, are you saying that the FO have targeting only depth/4th line players for those qualities? My impression was that it was a set of qualities they'd like to see spread throughout the roster, all lines and pairs, which is why there was some talk about the Hartnell trade and his not being particularly fast. Point being, if JD/JK et al. are targeting those qualities generally, then Boll isn't as implicated as being a misfit on the 4th line.
First, to clarify, I am not calling Boll a misfit anywhere, in any circumstance. You think that and you're going to read my posts with a bias.

What I'm saying is there appears to me an MO as regards depth players based on: a) the FO saying what it would like to do throughout the lineup (as you have pointed out); and b) what it has actually done this offseason regarding depth/4th line players.

Comeau is out, signed elsewhere for cheap. Gibbons, D'Amigo in. Tropp retained. Even DMac, who's out, was asked to allow the team to match an offer if it chose. Tenacious, speedy forecheckers who can chip in scoring and play the PK are in. That's not Boll. That's my read.

But before I leave it at that, I'll reiterate three things. 1) I don't think this automatically makes Boll on the outside looking in. 2) Boll in both under contract and a legit NHL player. 3) I believe the organization will throw them all out there and let their play sort it out (although I also believe that a predisposition to want to play a certain way may impact that process).

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As to your earlier post about inside-track based on contracts, I think I'd like to see Gibbons on the team primarily for his PK. I'd go for a Gibbons-Letestu-Boll line. I was reading through the Pens thread on Gibbons and many were expressing that Gibbons would do better with a heavy or two out there to open up space. (They were also not happy with his play alongside Crosby on the first line)
Again, I was oversimplifying based on who has on-way contracts -- Letestu, Tropp, Boll. Not really making a prediction or saying what I'd prefer.

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You make a fair point but cleverly allow yourself an out ("he must be hurt") should Tropp earn a job over him.

With D'Amigo, Gibbons and Hjalmarsson on two-ways and Tropp on a one-way, it would appear, based on contracts, that a fourth line of Tropp-Letestu-Boll would have the inside track.
However, ot would likely allow 2 players on 2-way deals to make the team or possibly one with 8 defensemen if Goloubef and Erixon both prove worthy. At least until the D is sorted out

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However, ot would likely allow 2 players on 2-way deals to make the team or possibly one with 8 defensemen if Goloubef and Erixon both prove worthy. At least until the D is sorted out
I expect if we don't trade anyone we'll do October with 8 d-men on the roster to assess their play before we risk losing anyone on waivers. That leaves one extra spot for forwards, right?

Who's waiver exempt among the depth forwards? Anyone? I wouldn't want to lose D'Amigo or Gibbons either. Boll and Tropp I wouldn't care much.

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You make a fair point but cleverly allow yourself an out ("he must be hurt") should Tropp earn a job over him.

With D'Amigo, Gibbons and Hjalmarsson on two-ways and Tropp on a one-way, it would appear, based on contracts, that a fourth line of Tropp-Letestu-Boll would have the inside track.
I wasn't giving myself an out, I was just talking about last season, both players haven't played on even footing. Even if Boll was "healthy" when he came back, which anyone that has ever watched him play, knows he wasn't anywhere close, he still was thrust into a playoff intensity race and playoffs and couldn't get caught up. So if Tropp goes out this year and earns the position over Boll, more power to him. I personally would rather see a Letestu, Gibbons, Boll line with Tropp being the 13th man. I like the way Tropp hits and willing to drop them on occasion, it's nothing against him at all.

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I will admit to not being much of a Boll fan..

I don't really care that much about fighting, for the sake of fighting in hockey. I understand that it has a place, particularly when the opponent takes a cheap shot or does something that could harm your player.

I'm more into the Gordie Howe hat trick kinda player... and in order to be that guy you have to be able to get the goal and an assist, not just be willing to fight. What I'm saying is Boll isn't much with the puck, and isn't an exceptional passer or skater. He doesn't play in the crease, and is not very adept at tipping shots infront of the net. His defense is lacking and generally gets caught in the camera standing around. I do admire his courage, but he is getting paid a large amount of money for that one item alone.

I really wish the Jackets had used that 1 million plus over payment plus some of the cap room to land a Thomas Vanek or a Statsny. We need skill, we need scoring - that will get the crowd more excited than a guy that puts in 5 minutes of play & 5 minutes in the box.

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I know giving the Boll thread a bump is just evil. . However, in other threads there is mention of Boll needing to be "healthy". What is his status? Is he going to be healthy coming into camp?

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Can't speak to his health.

For those who forgot, Boll finished the season last year tied with Shelley for all-time Jackets' PIM at 1025. So, I imagine he'll take the title in Buffalo at the first game, provided he is on the roster.

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