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09-10-2005, 05:52 PM
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When Mats is gone

I've been thinking recently about what is going to happen when Mats is forced to retire. Wether it's in three, four, or eight years. how are we going to replace this guy? he is probably the most reliable, consistent, dedicated bonafide 1st line centre we have watched play for the history of this club. Who will ever be able to fill Sundins shoes when the time comes?. Steen? maybe, but we haven't even seen him yet. Stajan? I don't think he's able, his max potential is a solid two-way 2nd line centre.

There is the free agent option, but does anyone think a player of Sundins calibre would be let go by any team through free agency? doubtful. Mats is 34 now, and he consistantly plays through traffic and takes beating after beating. Our workhorse will run out of gas in the near future unfortunately, maybe we should start thinking about this. He already looks like a tired tired man

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I've been thinking recently about what is going to happen when Mats is forced to retire. Wether it's in three, four, or eight years. how are we going to replace this guy? he is probably the most reliable, consistent, dedicated bonafide 1st line centre we have watched play for the history of this club. Who will ever be able to fill Sundins shoes when the time comes?. Steen? maybe, but we haven't even seen him yet. Stajan? I don't think he's able, his max potential is a solid two-way 2nd line centre.

There is the free agent option, but does anyone think a player of Sundins calibre would be let go by any team through free agency? doubtful. Mats is 34 now, and he consistantly plays through traffic and takes beating after beating. Our workhorse will run out of gas in the near future unfortunately, maybe we should start thinking about this. He already looks like a tired tired man
Joe Thornton. When his 3 year contract is gone!

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This is precisely the reason why we need to work on our farm system.

There are many benefits to developing your own stars. Most importantly is that by the time they become free agents they generally don't want to jump ship anyway. By that time they've got roots in the city, and have become franchise players.

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I'm not sure that he looks tired, but ya, we do have to start wondering who is going to be his heir apparent. Steen is a strong possibility, but still years from knowing that for sure. Wellwood could surprise, but I wouldn't count on it. I believe our team Leader of the future however will be a Colaiacovo. I think this season he is going to prove he belongs in the NHL, he'll stay healthy, no more flukey injuries, and he'll develope into a top notch NHL defencman.

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Sundin's never going to retire, he's going to keep playing forever, forevaa forevaa foreva forevaa.

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I don't see Sundin hanging up the skates after his contract is up. I do hope that he takes a huge paycut to stay with the leafs if he is still performing. IMO regardless Mats Sundin will retire a Toronto Maple Leaf.

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I think Mats will try to go to a real contender for at least one more year after his Maple Leafs contract is up.

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I think Mats will try to go to a real contender for at least one more year after his Maple Leafs contract is up.
Yea, rumours are that the Leafs are his first choice.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind tanking one year.. and drafting a Joe Thornton, or something.

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Yea, rumours are that the Leafs are his first choice.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind tanking one year.. and drafting a Joe Thornton, or something.
Not if that high pick turns into a Daige or Patrick Stefan.

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Yea, rumours are that the Leafs are his first choice.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind tanking one year.. and drafting a Joe Thornton, or something.
He has aslo said he would one day like to play with alferdson it is very possible he could end up in ottawa.

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He has aslo said he would one day like to play with alferdson it is very possible he could end up in ottawa.
Yea, he thought that stick swinging impression was a very funny joke.. And that Alfredsson, is like a clown to him.

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He has aslo said he would one day like to play with alferdson it is very possible he could end up in ottawa.
Yeah, the face of the Maple Leafs for the last decade would go and sign with their biggest rival. There was a reason Forsberg didn't sign in Vancouver or Naslund didn't go to Colorado(Other than the cap).

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Yeah, the face of the Maple Leafs for the last decade would go and sign with their biggest rival. There was a reason Forsberg didn't sign in Vancouver or Naslund didn't go to Colorado(Other than the cap).
Him and me forgot to put in the sarcasm tags.

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Joe Thornton. When his 3 year contract is gone!
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Funny, because what I said isn't trolling.
It wasn't accurate either ..but we will not hold that against you ..

Three more years of early playoff exits should convince Joe quick enough that he should try his luck elsewhere ,and he could join his buddy Samsonov over here





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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Mats was willing to re-negotiate his contract to lower the cap hit once that's possible. If he does leave though, Big Joe wouldn't look to bad in the Blue and White. And if that's not possible perhaps Mr. Allison will have stuck around long enough to take the brunt of the workload.

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It's highly unlikely that we will ever see another player like Mats here as soon as he leaves. After all, first overall draft selections only come along once a year, and Toronto hasn't had one in a very long time, nor do they have the tradeable assets to aquire one.

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It's highly unlikely that we will ever see another player like Mats here as soon as he leaves. After all, first overall draft selections only come along once a year, and Toronto hasn't had one in a very long time, nor do they have the tradeable assets to aquire one.
I'm sure Patrik Stefan wouldn't be too hard to acquire, and hell, we could get Owen Nolan back!

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I was in Canada at the stick swingin time.... damn that was funny, when Alfredsson did that.

I think that the fans reacted more to it than Sundin himself. Sundin is dead serious but he's also a pretty relaxed guy off it.

Mats Sundin our strong Viking, who ALWAYS puts on a solid performance...will probably stay within the Leafs organization some how after his retirement.

And the other day, I saw that thread about him going to HOF or not. omfg what a stupid thread. Of course he will. Hopefully they'll win the cup before his retirement too!

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I'm sure Patrik Stefan wouldn't be too hard to acquire, and hell, we could get Owen Nolan back!
Alright I stand corrected. I meant 1st overall selections that don't suck, or are complete morons.

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Joe Thornton. When his 3 year contract is gone!


There is a reason he went with a shorter term contract.

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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Mats was willing to re-negotiate his contract to lower the cap hit once that's possible. If he does leave though, Big Joe wouldn't look to bad in the Blue and White. And if that's not possible perhaps Mr. Allison will have stuck around long enough to take the brunt of the workload.
FYI ..

Mats has 3 years left on his deal, however on your lower cap hit thought.. He only actaully will make $4.5 mil in year 3 of that deal ..

So any future extension you would think would be at that amount or lower depending on how Mats holds up at 37 then .. IMO

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It wasn't accurate either ..but we will not hold that against you ..

Three more years of early playoff exists should convince Joe quick enough that he should try his luck elsewhere ,and he could join his buddy Samsonov over here ..
Can you tell me the lottery numbers, Miss Cleo?

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