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[CHI] Kane and Toews Extension at $10.8 mil per

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07-07-2014, 10:27 PM
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They've won two Stanley Cups and at their age probably haven't hit their prime yet with the cap going up. It seems fair to me.
In todays nhl? I'd say we've seen guys primes by 26, i don't think there is a whole lot of improvement left to see out of either of these guys. I think everyone know's what they are.

I'm still going to have a hard time believing these guys deserve the two biggest cap hits in the league, cups or not.



So let alone the ~2 Plus Million in cap trouble the Hawks are currently facing, do these extensions essentially spell the end for this teams makeup we've become used to for the past 6 years?

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Wait a second. This is still just a rumour. Nothing is confirmed yet. They could very well end up signing for less than $10 million.

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No one in the league is worth that.
If a GM is willing to pay that, then obviously they are worth that. To that GM.

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This is the new reality, folks. Players of their ilk have been making this much for a while now. There's just no circumvention to hide it any more.

Without the garbage years at the end of his contract, Weber's cap hit is $10.4 million. Crosby's at $10.6. Parise and Suter at $9.4.

Toews and Kane are the first to be this high, but they won't be the last. Stamkos will very likely exceed them when he signs his extension next year. Probably Subban, too, if he ever ends up UFA.

To say you don't want Toews and Kane for this much money is to say you don't want any marquee forward going forward, unless he's on an entry-level deal or a second contract.
I imagine that Yzerman will be able to appeal to Stammer's desire to win finally. Considering that with taxes he could make more than Kane & Toews but with a lower cap hit, it wouldn't be all that hard to make that appeal to him.

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because maximizing your earning potential, especially for a career with a short shelf life, is important to many people.
Not to mention they've already won two cups .

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Toews I do this no question. Kane im not so sure on.
Kane is just as valuable a player as Toews and arguably a more unique talent.

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This is gibberish.

How in the world would you define what makes Player A "$1.3M better" than Player B?
I'd suggest winning the Cup and the Conn Smythe would be a good start.

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I disagree. These two players are great, a new Gretzky and Kurri. They deserve at least 13m each, c'mon. Chicago you won two Cups, pay for them!
If any active duo is going to be mentioned in the same sentence as Gretzky and Kurri, it's Crosby and Malkin.

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umm malkin had 36 points in 24 games when they won the cup and overall in the playoffs he has 111 points in 96 games he's just as good in the playoffs. I agree when you say they had to sign toews and kane they're cruical to chicagos success
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Toews and Kane aren't worth more because of "results" -- they're just likely to get paid more as a function of the current financial landscape.

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2 years from now with the cap probably being 75+, Stamkos is gonna make serious bank.

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If any active duo is going to be mentioned in the same sentence as Gretzky and Kurri, it's Crosby and Malkin.
It's a joke -- Rorshach wants them to sign for as much as possible being a Kings fan.

If the 10.8M figure is accurate, we may have already seen the peak of the Hawks dominance.

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2 years from now with the cap probably being 75+, Stamkos is gonna make serious bank.
Agreed. IMO he's worth more than both Toews and Kane individually. Tavares in 2018 will also earn a massive contract.

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It's a joke -- Rorshach wants them to sign for as much as possible being a Kings fan.

If the 10.8M figure is accurate, we may have already seen the peak of the Hawks dominance.
Understood.

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It's not a source I recognize so I'll wait for confirmation from a more recognizable source.

That said, the players hold the hammer and they'll get paid if they want to. The team at best can do cap damage control here.

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Toews' dollar per point ratio is going to be ridiculous.

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Trade Patty Kane to Buffalo for Reinhart + Myers.

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I get that player contracts are always getting larger from year to year, but I just don't see anything that has happened that justifies this kind of a jump from last batch of comparable contracts. What reason can anyone give that these guys shouldn't be falling in line with the Malkin/Giroux/Kessel contracts? Even when you kick in inflation their's no way either of them should even sniff more than what Geno just got.

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Yeah, when has Malkin ever had success in the postseason?
How about 5 years ago when he had the best playoff run since Gretzky in 93?

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5 years ago?
Toews and his 3 goals intagibled his way to the cup.

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A cap hit of 10.8 mil for 2015/16 (assuming a 73.5mil cap) is the equivalent of a:

- 10.15mil contract for 2014/15 [69mil cap]
- 9.45mil contract for 2013/14 [64.3mil cap] --> Crosby's heavily front loaded 8.7mil contract and Malkin's 9.5mil contract begin here

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Can someone smarter than me summarise the impact this would have on the "tagging" rule in the CBA. I must not be understanding it correctly - as i'm looking at it there is no way Chicago could comply if these extensions are signed this season.

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all those people saying the cap will raise, yes it will but it's probably 4 years away before they seem like a bargain.

doesn't matter but they're already over the cap now

next season (if you project 73-75m), they'll have 9-12 million to sign 8 players

and assuming they sign everyone next year to 1 year deals, the cap raises to 79-80, they'll have 28-29million to sign 16 players

top 5 highest paid two players:
Kane & Toews : 21.6
Crosby & Malkin: 18.2
Perry & Getzlef: 16.875
Lundqvist & Nash: 16.3
Ovechkin & Backstrom: 16.2

Suddenly I don't feel so bad about the Pens situation

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A cap hit of 10.8 mil for 2015/16 (assuming a 73.5mil cap) is the equivalent of a:

- 10.15mil contract for 2014/15 [69mil cap]
- 9.45mil contract for 2013/14 [64.3mil cap] --> Crosby's heavily front loaded 8.7mil contract and Malkin's 9.5mil contract begin here
not a huge difference but Malkins contract in 13-14 was 8.7. the 9.5 doesn't kick in until 14-15

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all those people saying the cap will raise, yes it will but it's probably 4 years away before they seem like a bargain.

doesn't matter but they're already over the cap now

next season (if you project 73-75m), they'll have 9-12 million to sign 8 players

and assuming they sign everyone next year to 1 year deals, the cap raises to 79-80, they'll have 28-29million to sign 16 players

top 5 highest paid two players:
Kane & Toews : 21.6
Crosby & Malkin: 18.2
Perry & Getzlef: 16.875
Lundqvist & Nash: 16.3
Ovechkin & Backstrom: 16.2

Suddenly I don't feel so bad about the Pens situation
you have the two best players in the world and crosby is signed for a aav of 8.7 mill you can't feel bad about that situation come on!

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The Penguins have a tough time filling in the supporting cast with so much tied up in two players. The Hawks will be in the same boat.

18.2 for Crosby/Malkin > 21.6 for Kane/Toews

Not only are Crosby and Malkin both better, but that over 3 million could be used on a pretty good player..

I'd offer 9m for Toews and 8 for Kane. Toews comparable to Giroix, Kane to Kessel.

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