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07-10-2014, 11:36 AM
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Trade Roszival now... get under the Cap. Trade Sharp too, get NHL D back and 1st. Problems solved. Other than that you just let your UFAs go next season
Shedding Oduya + Richards + Regin doesn't get you under the cap.

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Shedding Oduya + Richards + Regin doesn't get you under the cap.
Hawks are $2.216 over the cap for next season

http://capgeek.com/blackhawks/

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07-10-2014, 12:22 PM
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Hawks are $2.216 over the cap for next season

http://capgeek.com/blackhawks/
Thats based on the 23 contracts. Teams only need to carry 20 minimum.

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Reading this thread... wow. Some people will always find something to complain about, I guess. It is a terrible way to go through life.

Can we consider for a second that the upcoming 2014-2015 Hawks are the best Hawks team on paper we have ever seen?
Wholeheartedly agree with this. Bowman's going to have to make some changes - but that's what's his job is. I can at least hope he does a good job, and I think that he's earned that right.

What people seem to be missing is that these deals will become precedent setting deals when other elite players are UFA eligible. Sure, the Hawks will have a short term challenge compared to a team like ANA with Getzlaf & Perry, but that's partially offset by having Keith locked up at a $5.3M cap hit.

I just hope that Bowman is able to get value for the guys he has to move between now and next year, and that the prospects are able to come up and contribute. I think the huge thing the Hawks have going for them is that they are able to insulate the prospects and not have to have them come up and be difference makers.

Hope what SB does:
1) Short term deals - trade Versteeg & Roszival (easiest to replace from within the organization)
2) Next off-season - trade Sharp for value, and Leddy if doesn't significant improve this year.

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07-10-2014, 01:50 PM
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Thats based on the 23 contracts. Teams only need to carry 20 minimum.
Yes and that means some "contracts" have to be moved

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Hawks are $2.216 over the cap for next season

http://capgeek.com/blackhawks/
I'm talking about 2015-16. The season in the thread title.

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07-10-2014, 03:33 PM
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Richards (2.0), Regin (.65), Oduya (3.375), Rosival (2.2), Leddy (2.7) = 10.925. Toews and Kanes AAV @ 8.0 (4.0 ea over current cap hit) leaves 2.925 plus cap ceiling increase whatever number that will be.

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07-10-2014, 05:06 PM
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Shedding Oduya + Richards + Regin doesn't get you under the cap.
You missed the part where I traded Sharp and Roszival?

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07-10-2014, 05:20 PM
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You missed the part where I traded Sharp and Roszival?
Ahhhh. Now I see the disconnect. I think I subconsciously blocked out "trade Sharp" in your post because I refuse to make a 2015-16 capgeek roster without him.

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Richards (2.0), Regin (.65), Oduya (3.375), Rosival (2.2), Leddy (2.7) = 10.925. Toews and Kanes AAV @ 8.0 (4.0 ea over current cap hit) leaves 2.925 plus cap ceiling increase whatever number that will be.
It leaves you with three million and three holes to fill.

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07-10-2014, 07:22 PM
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It leaves you with three million and three holes to fill.
With entry level contracts. Not a problem if they promote the prospects, Teravainen, Dahlbeck et al. Learning curve years but thats the reality of the signing. Draft develop and use prospects to fill.

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It leaves you with three million and three holes to fill.
That seems doable with a pretty deep prospect pool.

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With entry level contracts. Not a problem if they promote the prospects, Teravainen, Dahlbeck et al. Learning curve years but thats the reality of the signing. Draft develop and use prospects to fill.
Right, but you have other raises to give out too. After replacing them with ELC's you're at roughly 800k with Saad looking at an extension.

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Right, but you have other raises to give out too. After replacing them with ELC's you're at roughly 800k with Saad looking at an extension.
But the cap should go up to cover increases on bridge contracts. If Stan still is short, then he'll have to trade but thats a last option. Hes playing at the cap limit.

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Assuming TT will be permanently up in 2015-16 (which is almost certain), the Hawks currently have 10 forwards, 3 dmen, and 2 goalies signed for 2015-16 at $65,757,629. Saad will definitely be resigned and other notable RFAs include Kruger and Leddy. Clendening, Rundblad, Dahlbeck, Carey, Rasmussen and Nordstrom will be RFAs as well, but whoever is resigned out of those 6 will probably have deals similar to Morin's.

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If my math was correct earlier, I think we need to shed around 6mil of current contracts that go into 15-16 to get under the 15-16 cap of approx 75mil.

That takes into account a raise for Saad around 4mil, and having a #4Dman for 3mil. The rest of the roster would be pretty much all contracts below 1mil.

So take any combination of players whose salaries add up to around 6mil and those are your trade victims.

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07-11-2014, 06:52 AM
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Oduya & Sharp won't be part of that 15/16 team

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Shedding Oduya + Richards + Regin doesn't get you under the cap.
How do you know? no one knows what the 15-16 cap even is yet, and we wont know for another 10 months.

If the cap goes to 75 and they trade Bickell the Hawks would be fine.

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Oduya & Sharp won't be part of that 15/16 team
No Bickell will be gone - not Sharp.

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I think Rundblad will surprise a lot of people this season.

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07-11-2014, 02:07 PM
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I think Rundblad will surprise a lot of people this season.
I think I'm a decent judge of talent and to me he looked just awful.

IMO, Rundblad is one of those guys that looks fantastic when they're playing against those who are a tiny step below them (AHL), but look absolutely awful when they're playing with equals.

Rundblad is a bust.... He looks good playing against the lesser talented players but gets smoked against NHL talent..... I don't see that changing.

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I think Rundblad will surprise a lot of people this season.
Why exactly?

He has proven to be a failure everywhere he has gone thus far

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People saying you have to trade sharp this year while his value is high, I think you are wrong. You compete this year with sharp before the T/K new contracts kick in. You have as good a shot as any at winning the SC. Even if Sharp has a drop in value after next season it is worth it to see what this years team does. I don't think Bickell is moveable enough to get anything back. This also allows Bowman to see what next years cap will be before Sharp is moved, then he can decide if keeping Sharp is an option or not. If the cap takes a big enough jump, then you avoid that trade altogether, which obviously helps the chances the Hawks stay in contention for the SC the first year of the T/K contracts.

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People saying you have to trade sharp this year while his value is high, I think you are wrong. You compete this year with sharp before the T/K new contracts kick in. You have as good a shot as any at winning the SC. Even if Sharp has a drop in value after next season it is worth it to see what this years team does. I don't think Bickell is moveable enough to get anything back. This also allows Bowman to see what next years cap will be before Sharp is moved, then he can decide if keeping Sharp is an option or not. If the cap takes a big enough jump, then you avoid that trade altogether, which obviously helps the chances the Hawks stay in contention for the SC the first year of the T/K contracts.
I guess that depends on how much one thinks the Hawks could compete for a cup without Sharp. Because the best way to keep this thing going long in to the future is to recycle assets in to new assets, as opposed to letting assets expire without a replacement.

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Thats based on the 23 contracts. Teams only need to carry 20 minimum.
Regin and TT are listed on our 23 man roster on capgeek.

That is like 1.4 right there.

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