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07-10-2014, 10:39 AM
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Both sides over-valuing their trading chips in these proposals - not surprising - but why is it every offer I see involving the Flyers always has 2nd and 3rd round picks thrown on the end of both sides of the proposals. It's like, "if I distract you with useless draft pick wizardry, you'll accept my crumby proposal!"

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07-10-2014, 10:43 AM
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The only way is trade Jones is for someone like Mackinnon. Philly doesn't have that to offer.

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07-10-2014, 11:05 AM
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Lets see Philly bent Poile over in the Weber deal... Unless Poile is fired today I don't expect any trades with the Flyers in the future.


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If a trade for Jones would occur it would be around Couturier + or Voracek straight up .

Though I am very hesitant to trade Couturier especially to a team like Nashville. Nashville could offer Couturier very good minutes and plenty of big PP minutes. Since Nashville has a fantastic defense and pretty solid defensive forwards Couturier would not need to handle a huge defensive load. I could see him putting up 60 points or close to it as early as next season. Then if Jones doesn't turn into a franchise D-man we might be in a L. Schenn/JVR situation all over again, but this time even worse.

I think we should just stick with our prospects and hope they turn out really great and I have confidence 1 of them can be a true #1 seeing as though 3 of them have that potential.

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Do Nashville fans really believe that Poile would make Philly pay more than another team just because of the Weber offer sheet? That's not a very smart way of managing your team.
I doubt he would hold that big of a grudge, but he would make any team overpay to get Jones. It isn't Poile who would make Philly pay a huge price in a trade. It's any other team interested in the event Poile starts dangling him out as trade bait.

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07-10-2014, 11:46 AM
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Lets see Philly bent Poile over in the Weber deal... Unless Poile is fired today I don't expect any trades with the Flyers in the future.
Philly got Weber to commit long term to Nashville at a reasonable cap hit.

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Philly got Weber to commit long term to Nashville at a reasonable cap hit.
The structure of the contract - $26m+ in bonuses/salary in the first 2 years - was designed to force Nashville to not match. I don't really care too much one way or another, but let's not make it like it was some benevolent offer, when in reality it was a much closer equivalent of a hostile takeover attempt.

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07-10-2014, 12:22 PM
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Philly got Weber to commit long term to Nashville at a reasonable cap hit.
Agreed I loves phi when they gave us the os. Once they matched it made he owners commit the money to make it work and when his deal gets cheap we will have the best contract in the nhl all at a cap hit under 8 mill vs the 10+ he would get now.

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I doubt he would hold that big of a grudge, but he would make any team overpay to get Jones. It isn't Poile who would make Philly pay a huge price in a trade. It's any other team interested in the event Poile starts dangling him out as trade bait.
This is correct. If Jones had a NTC and PHI was the only team he'd go to, these offers look better. In a broad auction though? Someone is going to throw the whole kitchen sink in to get him. The Oilers are probably the best candidate in that scenario; lots of high-end forward talent.

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The structure of the contract - $26m+ in bonuses/salary in the first 2 years - was designed to force Nashville to not match. I don't really care too much one way or another, but let's not make it like it was some benevolent offer, when in reality it was a much closer equivalent of a hostile takeover attempt.
Oh it was definitely designed to screw Nashville over, but it actually worked out well for them assuming Weber stays healthy and playing at a high level into his late 30s.

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had the Flyers not won 6 of their last 7 meaningless games in '13 they would have [likely] been right at the spot where Nashville picked this future stud...

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Plenty of room on the Sabres bandwagon if you're a big fan of tanking.

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Another prime example of other teams trying to unload a collection of ok players for one of Smashvilles talented d men.
Voracek is far from just an okay player. Just based upon their play in the NHL to date, Jake is worth a good bit more than Seth but based on my belief that Seth will become a bonified #1, I'd add a top prospect or a 1st with true 1st line winger we are offering. It's more than a fair over payment. Now I know it doesn't have a future #1 center and if that's the ONLY way you'd trade Seth then that's fine, a deal probably can't be reached (Schenn MAY have low end #1c potential but I wouldn't want to try and sell you on him) but let's not pretend that what I proposed is a paltry offer.

Hell, to get Jones I'd even consider Voracek + top prospect + 1st, but I'd have to take a good hard look at next years prospects, who will likely be available around pick #20, and just how good I think they'll be.

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had the Flyers not won 6 of their last 7 meaningless games in '13 they would have [likely] been right at the spot where Nashville picked this future stud...
This x 10. I was actually mad when we started winning meaningless games at the end when we were clearly out of it. Not that I wanted them to tank intentionally, I just wanted them to keep playing as crappy as they had all season. They got "hot" when it wouldn't have made a snowballs chance of us making the playoffs.

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Couts + a very good prospect would do it. If anyone is going to have to overpay for a Nashville player right now, its philly.
Why? Poile should be thanking Philly for letting him lock up Weber for his career.

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Both sides over-valuing their trading chips in these proposals - not surprising - but why is it every offer I see involving the Flyers always has 2nd and 3rd round picks thrown on the end of both sides of the proposals. It's like, "if I distract you with useless draft pick wizardry, you'll accept my crumby proposal!"
Is it because you only read Flyers proposals? Because that's pretty much been a HFB staple since I joined. I associate it most with Leaf fans, but everyone's guilty.

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This x 10. I was actually mad when we started winning meaningless games at the end when we were clearly out of it. Not that I wanted them to tank intentionally, I just wanted them to keep playing as crappy as they had all season. They got "hot" when it wouldn't have made a snowballs chance of us making the playoffs.
yep-their play resembles a tank job all. year. long and then they start winning games at the worst possible time. Jones is exactly the type of player we'd love to have right now. kinda a microcosm of the flyer's luck or lack thereof over the last couple decades...

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****, I thought you wanted Rick Nash.

FML.

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****, I thought you wanted Rick Nash.

FML.
We do....if you want Vinny and Umberger.

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had the Flyers not won 6 of their last 7 meaningless games in '13 they would have [likely] been right at the spot where Nashville picked this future stud...
Kind of shows you, on the other hand, that this team is a WINNER. The last 40 years prove this fact.Sure I wouldve preferred a better pick but it also shows that we are not the Oil, Pens or other frequent tankers

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Kind of shows you, on the other hand, that this team is a WINNER. The last 40 years prove this fact.Sure I wouldve preferred a better pick but it also shows that we are not the Oil, Pens or other frequent tankers
you're not right. the Flyers haven't won squat in almost 40 years now, and are basically an above-average franchise, that's it

I'd take 2 weeks of "tanking" once they've been eliminated from playoff contention anytime for a chance for a player like Jones.

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Then you should switch to supporting Buffalo, like I said.

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Then you should switch to supporting Buffalo, like I said.
There's a difference in a 2 week tank and a tank for 3 seasons. That said I don't support tanking at all.

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There's a difference in a 2 week tank and a tank for 3 seasons.
not unh! Go support Buffalo!

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had the Flyers not won 6 of their last 7 meaningless games in '13 they would have [likely] been right at the spot where Nashville picked this future stud...
I was preaching this during that span too.

If Morin reaches his potential, then all is well. But until then...

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