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07-10-2014, 10:29 PM
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Montreal-Carolina

I just read the Staal to Nashville thread and figured I would see if the Habs could make an interesting pitch.

To Carolina: Eller, Beaulieu, 2015 1st, Bourque

To Montreal: E. Staal

This is only if the Canes are rebuilding.

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07-10-2014, 11:08 PM
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I don't understand the point of this. Sure Montreal gets a "real" 1st line center, but we're still suck with Desharnais bro.

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jesus overpayment

you are giving away our best defensive prospect and likely replacement for markov and at the same time tempting another mcdonaugh fiasco; eller, a guy who we can see being a good 2nd line centre or great 3rd line centre who was one of our best forward last playoffs; first is a first, and bourque is bourque.

for a 60-70 point centre with huge consistency issues paid 9.2m a year?

and organizationally, we are not quite at the point where we should be selling our best prospects for players on the cusp of turning 30

i'd pass. take out beaulieu and then i'd think about it

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Massive overpayment indeed. No deal.

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i'd pass. take out beaulieu and then i'd think about it
Lmfao

Beaulieu and a late first isn't that enticing. Eller is a 3C. Canes could do better.

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Lmfao

Beaulieu and a late first isn't that enticing. Eller is a 3C. Canes could do better.
I'm sure they could.

im not saying it's an enticing offer, I'm saying it's the most i'd offer

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Wow what a terrible trade for MTL.

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Take David Desharnais instead of Eller, you got a deal.

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Fair for both sides IMO

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I don't really see the need in making this deal for The Habs. They have had a lot of success the past few years so I don't think they are desperate enough to make a deal like this.....

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Patches staal gallagher
Galchenyuk Pleky parenteau
Xxxxxx Desharnais bourque

You guys would really say no to that? Think id say yes. Better roster.

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Lmfao

Beaulieu and a late first isn't that enticing. Eller is a 3C. Canes could do better.
Depends of the need. I dont see them going sabres mode so I agree. I think they would want a top 6 in return +

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Patches staal gallagher
Galchenyuk Pleky parenteau
Xxxxxx Desharnais bourque

You guys would really say no to that? Think id say yes. Better roster.
you can only say they will be better for 2 years. After that who knows.

Id rather take these assets and offer them to The Jets for Kane.....

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07-11-2014, 06:14 AM
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Desharnais as to be part of that deal

Desharnais + Beaulieu + bourque + fucale for stall + 3 round 2015 + 5 round 2015

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Pass.

Our center depth is fine. We already have three pretty decent ones, and one waiting in the wings.

We need help on the wings and on defense. Trading Beaulieu makes no sense.

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you can only say they will be better for 2 years. After that who knows.

Id rather take these assets and offer them to The Jets for Kane.....
Yeah if it lands kane I would agree

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07-11-2014, 07:57 AM
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Read the op, didn't like the deal very much as a canes fan. Canes can definitely do better. Read rest of thread, habs fans think it's an overpayment

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Eric Staal from a couple of years ago I might have paid that prince, but current one who has lost a step and now in his 30s, no thanks.

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Read the op, didn't like the deal very much as a canes fan. Canes can definitely do better. Read rest of thread, habs fans think it's an overpayment
he isn't that big an upgrade for us. He's lost a step, his cap is HUGE, especially when we have two centres that each produce close to his output for the same cost added together. Also have another in Galchenyuk coming up.

We just have different needs.

it's an overpayment...to us. but not far off his actual value.

Feel free to shop him around, you probably get a similar deal or one slightly better....just not from Montreal.

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07-11-2014, 08:25 AM
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This kind of thing might be plausible at the trade deadline, if the Canes are well outside the playoff bubble and Staal has had another mediocre season.

Eller is 24 and has a career high of 30 points. Projecting him as a "good" 2nd line center is a stretch. Guys in his age range who are good 2nd line centers are the likes of Benn, Johansen, Couture, Stepan, Jordan Staal, O'Reilly, Turris. That's not counting veterans like Bergeron or rookies like MacKinnon. Eller is probably not going to break into that category.

So right off the bat, Carolina is taking on a significant amount of risk that we're not walking away from a 1C in exchange for a lower-end 2C or 3C in the long term.

We're also taking on a 32-year-old Rene Bourque who is going to be hot garbage by the end of his contract.

The carrot at the end of this stick is a low 1st, and Beaulieu. Both are good assets for a rebuild. TBH I think this offer is more appealing if you drop Eller, Bourque and the 1st and think about what Carolina would need to add in order to make it Staal + ? for Beaulieu + Galchenyuk.

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...Montreal is not in must win now mode; Bergevin is building a young contender for the future...starting to bankrupt that for an aging superstar like Staal who seems to be on his downswing would be a terrible move...value or not, this trade doesn't fit into Montreal's future...

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This kind of thing might be plausible at the trade deadline, if the Canes are well outside the playoff bubble and Staal has had another mediocre season.

Eller is 24 and has a career high of 30 points. Projecting him as a "good" 2nd line center is a stretch. Guys in his age range who are good 2nd line centers are the likes of Benn, Johansen, Couture, Stepan, Jordan Staal, O'Reilly, Turris. That's not counting veterans like Bergeron or rookies like MacKinnon. Eller is probably not going to break into that category.

So right off the bat, Carolina is taking on a significant amount of risk that we're not walking away from a 1C in exchange for a lower-end 2C or 3C in the long term.

We're also taking on a 32-year-old Rene Bourque who is going to be hot garbage by the end of his contract.

The carrot at the end of this stick is a low 1st, and Beaulieu. Both are good assets for a rebuild. TBH I think this offer is more appealing if you drop Eller, Bourque and the 1st and think about what Carolina would need to add in order to make it Staal + ? for Beaulieu + Galchenyuk.
Wow....you have high hopes for what a 2nd line C is. And, I'll have you know that Bourque is already hot garbage thank you very much.


and thanks for the laugh at the end. Galchenyuk. Good one. You may as well ask for a side order of Subban with that too....that's how likely that would be.

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This kind of thing might be plausible at the trade deadline, if the Canes are well outside the playoff bubble and Staal has had another mediocre season.

Eller is 24 and has a career high of 30 points. Projecting him as a "good" 2nd line center is a stretch. Guys in his age range who are good 2nd line centers are the likes of Benn, Johansen, Couture, Stepan, Jordan Staal, O'Reilly, Turris. That's not counting veterans like Bergeron or rookies like MacKinnon. Eller is probably not going to break into that category.

So right off the bat, Carolina is taking on a significant amount of risk that we're not walking away from a 1C in exchange for a lower-end 2C or 3C in the long term.

We're also taking on a 32-year-old Rene Bourque who is going to be hot garbage by the end of his contract.

The carrot at the end of this stick is a low 1st, and Beaulieu. Both are good assets for a rebuild. TBH I think this offer is more appealing if you drop Eller, Bourque and the 1st and think about what Carolina would need to add in order to make it Staal + ? for Beaulieu + Galchenyuk.
That's simply a non starter. Staal would obviously be an upgrade at the center position but not a big enough one to part with a major piece of The Habs future.

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I just read the Staal to Nashville thread and figured I would see if the Habs could make an interesting pitch.

To Carolina: Eller, Beaulieu, 2015 1st, Bourque

To Montreal: E. Staal

This is only if the Canes are rebuilding.
i usually love your trade analysis but this deal stinks for the Habs and Bergevin would never do it. Taking nothing away from Staal, a 30 year old centre who is probably trending downward. Maybe this deal is made if you truly believe habs are contenders...

but it's a lot of pieces...i still think Eller will become a steady 40 point centre, with the size habs need + Beaulieu who will be a top 4 pmd and a 1st in the best draft in a decade...bjork? streaky but a good cap hit...i just don't see habs paying that price--

and i know to many teams, Staal is worth that- not habs

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