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07-11-2014, 08:38 AM
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Chicago won a cup with Niemi. I feel like that's all that needs to be said.

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As an outsider i will give it a shot

oilers needs or future do's and don'ts

1) Stop giving fringe nhlers five year deals after having one fair season. Neither Fayne nor Pouliot will live up to their contracts and will either be bought out or traded with the oilers keeping part of their contracts within two years
2) Oilers should have sat down with the Blue Jackets and talk about their big center who they can not sign--he solves all the oilers second line center problems
3) They still do not have a big shut down d-man who can play 20+ minutes a game (both Fayen and Nikiten are bottom pairing guys who should only average minutes a game. For those who attack me on this. We will revisit the comments in Jan/Feb and see who is right)
4) Why are they letting Petry going for nothing
5) Contracts they gave out have hurt them in dealing with Schultz--he is far better then the guys they signed
1) Stop giving fringe nhlers five year deals after having one fair season

Stop giving fringe nhlers NMC for mediocre play.

Neither Fayne nor Pouliot will live up to their contracts and will either be bought out or traded with the oilers keeping part of their contracts within two years

I like this statement, it sees into the future as most people born blind.
If we were planning to keep them, we would of handed out NMC like the canucks, but we didn't and have the flexibility to do what all 30 nhl teams are allowed to do during trade deadline and free agency when players don't work out.


2) Oilers should have sat down with the Blue Jackets and talk about their big center who they can not sign--he solves all the oilers second line center problems.

One thing that favors canuck fans, they are willing to give other teams players away.
I'm sure it was discussed, but to get a player like Johansen will probably create another hole just to get him.


3) They still do not have a big shut down d-man who can play 20+ minutes a game (both Fayen and Nikiten are bottom pairing guys who should only average minutes a game. For those who attack me on this. We will revisit the comments in Jan/Feb and see who is right)

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Fayne combined with Greene to consistently face by far the toughest competition of the Devils blueliners and excelled to a level that would surprise anybody who has yet to look up their numbers.
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Fayne only averaged 18:18 TOI per game. This mostly had to do with the Devils defense being stocked full of PK/PP specialists such as Volchenkov/Salvador on the PK and Gelinas on the PP


4) Why are they letting Petry going for nothing

Can't answer that since we still have petry, and have yet to see what a return he will get if we do trade him. Mark Fayne made him Expendable otherwise.


5) Contracts they gave out have hurt them in dealing with Schultz--he is far better then the guys they signed

Still have 8.7 mill in cap space, I'm sure a deal will be worked out. Don't worry your canucky little head.

Schultz is a great point producer, but he is definitely not better in defence then the nhlers we signed.


Edit: @OP If your seriously questioning Scrivens and Fasth, then you have not been following the circus that was in the net the past 5 years.
I am one of the posters that wanted elite goaltender first and foremost, and hated every minute Dubnyk was in net, and though we have yet to see if both Scrivens and Fasth can handle a full season as starters, I haven't been more pumped and ecstatic of a goaltending tandem in decades. I think you need to be more excited in what we have right now.


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07-11-2014, 09:01 AM
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Our goaltending should be good enough to get us to the playoffs if other needs are addressed. In order of need:

#2 C
Top pairing D
#1 goalie

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07-11-2014, 09:02 AM
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I somewhat agree with the OP. I like the Scrivens/Fasth duo but both are unproven as #1's so until they can prove that they can handle the workload, the goaltending should come into question. However, compared to the Doobie/Barbie gruesome twosome, Scrivens/Fasth looks like Roy/Brodeur in comparison.

I also don't think that a Stanley Cup contender needs an elite goalie. The Red Wings (Osgood), Blakchawks (Niemi/Crawford) and Penguins (Fleury) are proof of this and interestingly, the Oilers are building their roster in the mold of those teams so if they do get to the point when they are ready to contend, they won't need elite goaltending. They will just need a goalie who can make timely saves.

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07-11-2014, 09:38 AM
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I'd rather have an excellent team with an average goalie than an excellent goalie with an average team.

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07-11-2014, 10:26 AM
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I wish we had an elite goalie like Dwayne roloson was....wait a second. ..

#2C two way
#1D minute muncher

Pair Fayne with Ference as a shutdown line, Nikitin with Petry to take the rest and shelter the hell out of Marincin and Schultz pair.


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1) Stop giving fringe nhlers five year deals after having one fair season. Neither Fayne nor Pouliot will live up to their contracts and will either be bought out or traded with the oilers keeping part of their contracts within two years
2) Oilers should have sat down with the Blue Jackets and talk about their big center who they can not sign--he solves all the oilers second line center problems
You mean the young center that had one good year and wants a brinks truck outside his house for the next 5-8 years? So not only do we give up what will be some serious assets but end up doing what you said not to.

Hes obviously not a fringe nhler anymore, but at no point do I want anything to do with him if the acquisition cost is anything remotely important, which it most certainly will be.

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07-11-2014, 10:30 AM
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Everyone is so concerned about our 2C

Nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room,it is not possible to win a stanley cup without a number 1 GOAlIE. We do not have one on our roster or prospect list at this time.
Anaheim ducks are a perfect example,you can have all the talent and depth in the world no goalie no cup.

I think its time everyone gives there a head shake and realize that we are in this for the long haul,making the playoffs is fine and dandy but winning cups is what matters most. We have a long way to go folks.
I thought Scrivens looked like a #1... a .922 save percentage was among the top half of the league. Roli was a 3rd string until we traded for him, so you can't say his inexperience as a starter disqualifies him.

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Only one goalie (Rask) posted a sub 2.00 GAA in the playoffs this year, and his team got eliminated early.

Quick posted very average stats through the playoffs, and I'd venture to say he was barely adequate in some of the games I watched. He had multiple games with SV% in the .800s, and still won the SC with a meh .911 SV%.

If Scrivens proves unable to handle the job by the time (if) the Oilers work themselves into SC contention (years away for sure) team management can think about upgrading in net. Until then, just be glad MacT finally realized what some of us were saying three years ago and got rid of Dubnyk.

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Everyone is so concerned about our 2C

Nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room,it is not possible to win a stanley cup without a number 1 GOAlIE. We do not have one on our roster or prospect list at this time.
Anaheim ducks are a perfect example,you can have all the talent and depth in the world no goalie no cup.

I think its time everyone gives there a head shake and realize that we are in this for the long haul,making the playoffs is fine and dandy but winning cups is what matters most. We have a long way to go folks.
I thought Scrivens looked like a #1... a .922 save percentage was among the top half of the league. Roli was a 3rd string until we traded for him, so you can't say his inexperience as a starter disqualifies him.

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1) Stop giving fringe nhlers five year deals after having one fair season

Stop giving fringe nhlers NMC for mediocre play.

Neither Fayne nor Pouliot will live up to their contracts and will either be bought out or traded with the oilers keeping part of their contracts within two years

I like this statement, it sees into the future as most people born blind.
If we were planning to keep them, we would of handed out NMC like the canucks, but we didn't and have the flexibility to do what all 30 nhl teams are allowed to do during trade deadline and free agency when players don't work out.


2) Oilers should have sat down with the Blue Jackets and talk about their big center who they can not sign--he solves all the oilers second line center problems.

One thing that favors canuck fans, they are willing to give other teams players away.
I'm sure it was discussed, but to get a player like Johansen will probably create another hole just to get him.


3) They still do not have a big shut down d-man who can play 20+ minutes a game (both Fayen and Nikiten are bottom pairing guys who should only average minutes a game. For those who attack me on this. We will revisit the comments in Jan/Feb and see who is right)

I love fact based opinions based on no research.

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4) Why are they letting Petry going for nothing

Can't answer that since we still have petry, and have yet to see what a return he will get if we do trade him. Mark Fayne made him Expendable otherwise.


5) Contracts they gave out have hurt them in dealing with Schultz--he is far better then the guys they signed

Still have 8.7 mill in cap space, I'm sure a deal will be worked out. Don't worry your canucky little head.

Schultz is a great point producer, but he is definitely not better in defence then the nhlers we signed.


Edit: @OP If your seriously questioning Scrivens and Fasth, then you have not been following the circus that was in the net the past 5 years.
I am one of the posters that wanted elite goaltender first and foremost, and hated every minute Dubnyk was in net, and though we have yet to see if both Scrivens and Fasth can handle a full season as starters, I haven't been more pumped and ecstatic of a goaltending tandem in decades. I think you need to be more excited in what we have right now.
game log from Fayne

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...490/mark-fayne

on nearly all teams the top 4 d-men play 20+ minutes a game. Fayne Rarely topped 20 minutes a game--he was at 14 to 17 and that is 3rd line pairing.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...nikita-nikitin

Nikitin minutes played is worse

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...benoit-pouliot

third liner across the board

right now this is the bottom 6 for the oilers including D
Purcell, Teddy (4.5) Gordon (3) Pouliot, Benoit (4)
Fayne, Mark (3.625) Nikitin, Nikita (4)
Hendricks, Matt (1.850) Lander (.600) Joensuu, Jesse (.950) Gazdic, Luke (.800)
For lines 3/4 that is about 24mill

The way I see the top lines for the oilers playing out
Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron--Archo-Yakupov
Schultz--Ference
Petry--Marincin

If the oilers play Purcell over Yakupov this year. That will tell a lot of non-oiler people that oilers have given up on the kid. The more you play Yakupov on the third line the more you are killing the kid

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game log from Fayne

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...490/mark-fayne

on nearly all teams the top 4 d-men play 20+ minutes a game. Fayne Rarely topped 20 minutes a game--he was at 14 to 17 and that is 3rd line pairing.
Average TOI/G was 18 minutes, solidly in the second pair range. Was fourth among NJ regulars. Second pairing.

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If the oilers play Purcell over Yakupov this year. That will tell a lot of non-oiler people that oilers have given up on the kid. The more you play Yakupov on the third line the more you are killing the kid
This is just dumb for a lot of reasons. Too many to bother with, really.

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I think Scrivens is a #1 goalie.

Our top needs are 1/2C and 1/2D, imo. Maybe someone like Seabrook can be had out of Chicago for the right price? I'm not even gonna get into who we should get at center....

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WE need a top defenseman. Nothing against the Draisatl pick but I would've preferred if we picked Ekblad. He's gonna be a stud.

FLA will win a cup before the Oilers.
We should have just drafted Doughty, Quick and Kopitar years ago.

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We should have just drafted Doughty, Quick and Kopitar years ago.
We wouldnt be having this conversation if we'd only drafted Monahan last year like I wanted them to.

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Chicago won a cup with Niemi. I feel like that's all that needs to be said.
And Crawford. Detroit won one with Osgood. We made the finals with Roloson. None of those guys could possibly fit the OP's criteria for #1. But in looking at those teams I do see a constant.

CHI - Keith. DET - Lidstrom. EDM - Pronger.

That is the answer to our biggest need. A legit, #1 D man. I would argue that there are more finalists in the last 10 years with a legit #1 D man than there were teams with a legit #1 goalie. The only teams you could question would be PIT (had really good group of Gonchar, Whitney, Orpik and Letang, though none were Norris calibre) and the 06 Canes. But cup winners/finalists without a stud goalie in the last 10 years would be (EDM 06, OTT 07, DET 08+09, PHI+CHI 10, CHI 13). I was on the fence about adding Fleury to that group, but I think he was probably considered a stud at the time.

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Considering Dubnyk let in a soft wrist shot from the blue line every game, I am way more comfortable with our goaltender situation this year

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The oilers need people who know what they are doing.

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sorry still not good enough,you can get 2 2c's and still get no cup with two backups,and yes they are backups until proven otherwise
You have to let those guys play to prove "otherwise" I'm not worried, the Blues thought they had the CUP in the bag. Until Miller layed a 2 footer in the bed. So much for elite goaltending...just find a decent 2C.

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We wouldnt be having this conversation if we'd only drafted Monahan last year like I wanted them to.
Can't believe we passed on Crosby too...just dumb

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Everyone is so concerned about our 2C

Nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room,it is not possible to win a stanley cup without a number 1 GOAlIE. We do not have one on our roster or prospect list at this time.
Anaheim ducks are a perfect example,you can have all the talent and depth in the world no goalie no cup.

I think its time everyone gives there a head shake and realize that we are in this for the long haul,making the playoffs is fine and dandy but winning cups is what matters most. We have a long way to go folks.
Scrivens and Fasth might end up as #1 goalies. You definitely don't need a stud to win the cup - you just need a goalie who can, at the very least, be consistent and have the potential to get hot.

E.g. Fleury, Ward, Roloson, Crawford, etc...
None of those guys are studs, IMO

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you can be as well rounded as anyone,if you watched the playoffs this year or any other year for that matter goaltending plays a major role in deciding who wins the cup or even gets to the final for that matter.

we have some of the most unproven goaltending in the league right now
All goaltending is unproven at some point. Scrivens played at a high level last year, and deserves a shot

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Our biggest short term need is a veteran centerman that can bring a good two-way game and not be out of place with offensive minded players.

Our biggest long term need is a minute logging right-handed defenseman to eventually (assuming our prospects work out) play with Nurse.

We can't necessarily boil it down to one greatest need at this point.

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I was not a Scrivens fan when he was on Toronto but he seemed great in LA... and then I thought that was most likely because of the system/players/coach... But everything I have seen suggests Scrivens is the best goalie we have had since Roli. Is able to steal games and is generally steady.

Fasthe has the potential to be even better.

Basically between the two of them any concerns about consistency and talent are addressed very well.

Everyone I have heard from in the media, and hockey knowledgeable friends, all state that Scrivens/Fasthe is a very solid 1a/1b situation. Sure both could fail and both still have only a bit of NHL experience but both have done very well to date and there is no reason to think they BOTH will just fall apart this season.

From what I have heard and seen I would actually prefer to have our goaltending rather than say Vancouver who picked up Miller and has Eddie Lack. Just an example.

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-Our biggest need is coaching.
-Our second biggest need would be a true top paring tandem, but we should be ok with defense by committee instead.
-Our third biggest need is centerman but we do have a swack of potential coming down the pipeline: Leon, Arco, Lander, Kharia, Roy, Yakimov etc... So patience... the curse word around these parts... is required so we can fill this need from within the organization.

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