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Is this group of prospects the best we've ever had?

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07-11-2014, 09:38 PM
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Is this group of prospects the best we've ever had?

I feel it's probably one of the best groups we've ever had. Over the past couple years, our drafting has been shoddy at best, it's slowly improving.
List of prospects; sans 2014.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/vancouver_canucks/

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07-11-2014, 09:46 PM
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Yes but our prospect pool has been pretty poor throughout franchise history sans a couple seasons

So I'm not really sure how much that means

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07-11-2014, 09:46 PM
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This is the best prospect group we've ever had. One thing that is really standing out is that they aren't just individuals, they aren't categorized as each of their own. I like the fact they are acting like a group not just each person if that makes sense. It's a whole bunch of friends trying to achieve the same thing instead of them doing everything individually, lot's of bonding happening and that's going to help once the start becoming pro,,
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You may not be exaggerating about that actually.

Going back through the camps, as best as I could, I can't find a camp that had this much talent with potential in awhile.

Maybe since the 2004 lockout, which had Burr, Bieksa, Rypien, not sure if you can add Kesler as well since he played 34 games in 2002-2003, but he was a 'fresh face' then too. Though no one thought any of those guys would be as what some are projecting for this crop.
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5 1st round picks out of 3 draft years in one summer development camp is something we've never had before.

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07-11-2014, 09:55 PM
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Depends on what you count. Naslund, Bertuzzi...

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Our prospect pool is what it is.

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07-11-2014, 10:18 PM
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Probably the deepest, but I don't see the high end as being as high as a couple of other years.

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Depends on what you count. Naslund, Bertuzzi...
They weren't prospects by the time they were both wearing Canucks uniforms.

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I'd say so. I know that good things do not happen to the Canucks, and all of our prospects will likely demand trades and/or spontaneously combust, but we could see something like this in the next few years:

Virtanen Horvat Shinkaruk
Vey Bonino Kassian
Fox McCann Jensen
Cassels Gaunce Archibald
Grenier

Tanev Corrado
Sutton Cederholm
Subban Forsling
Tryamkin

Lack
Markstrom
Eriksson
Demko

Not too shabby, and definitely the same or better depth at just about every position than I can remember.

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07-11-2014, 10:33 PM
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No.

In 1999 we had Henrik, Daniel, Allen, Ruutu, and Cooke.

We might have more depth now, but if we could trade our entire prospect pool for 18-year versions of all those players(in addition to the prospects that didn't pan out but might have like Chubarov) then I'd probably do it due to the high end potential of the Sedins.

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No.

In 1999 we had Henrik, Daniel, Allen, Ruutu, and Cooke.

We might have more depth now, but if we could trade our entire prospect pool for 18-year versions of all those players(in addition to the prospects that didn't pan out but might have like Chubarov) then I'd probably do it due to the high end potential of the Sedins.
I wasn't a fan at the time but I remember reading something in the literature about how the late-90s Canucks prospects were held in really high regard. All of the ones you named plus Harold Druken and Steve Kariya.

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07-11-2014, 10:54 PM
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That's the problem with comparing current prospect classes with past ones...we already know Druken et al dont pan out. It's still tbd on Cassels, Gaunce etc. It's jard to remember how I felt about past guys at draft +1now that they aee what they became.

So I voted yup. Positivity ftw.

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07-11-2014, 11:02 PM
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no, where's the top end talent? they look like really good 2nd/3rd liners to me.

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07-11-2014, 11:20 PM
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There was a time where our prospect pool consisted of the following future NHL'ers...

H. Sedin
D. Sedin
Bryan Allen
Artem Chubarov
Jarkko Ruutu
Brent Sopel

Not too bad. If our current prospects turn out that many decent to elite pros, I'll be pretty happy.

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07-11-2014, 11:22 PM
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no, where's the top end talent? they look like really good 2nd/3rd liners to me.
Virtanen projects to a top liner, so does Shinkaruk. Horvat and McCann have potential as well.

You seem to be confusing first line talent with "star" talent. You don't have to be Patrick Kane to be a first line talent.

Here's a breakdown of scoring by forwards in this past season just to give some context:

top 30 scorer: 65 pts minimum

top 60 scorer: 56 pts minimum

top 90 scorer: 48 pts minimum

In other words, if either Virtanen or Shinkaruk hit 65 pts they would be among the top 1/3 of first line players in the league based on points.

If the hit 56 points, they would be "average" first liners.

If they hit 48 points, they would be below-average first liners but still first liners.

You sure we don't have any first line prospects?

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07-11-2014, 11:26 PM
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Absolutely.

Horvat
Shinkaruk
Virtanen
Fox
Gaunce
McCann
Jensen
Cassels
Tryamkin
Demko
Hutton
Vey
Corrado
Subban

6 first rounders not including Kassian.

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07-11-2014, 11:35 PM
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Not even close. Both Sedins alone dwarfed what we have now.

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07-11-2014, 11:42 PM
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Maybe not the best in pure raw talent (Sedins), but it is without question the deepest, with the potential to obliterate all past prospect pools we have had.

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Probably, but our prospect pool was putrid before that.

Just missing that top end center prospect to bring it all together.

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They weren't prospects by the time they were both wearing Canucks uniforms.
They were pretty young...

Naslund was 23 and Bertuzzi was 22...

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07-12-2014, 12:10 AM
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Maybe not the best in pure raw talent (Sedins), but it is without question the deepest, with the potential to obliterate all past prospect pools we have had.
Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Bieksa, Edler, Schneider, Tanev. Basically our entire core that led us to the most successful era in franchise history.

Granted, not all were prospects at the same time, but they were pretty close. What we have now will never do for us what those players did. I don't see any top line, let alone ppg talent in our pipeline. No top pairing D.

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They were pretty young...

Naslund was 23 and Bertuzzi was 22...
Bertuzzi 3 full seasons, Naslund 2

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07-12-2014, 12:12 AM
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Bertuzzi 3 full seasons, Naslund 2
Meh... that's like saying Yakupov isn't a prospect. I'd still consider him a prospect.

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Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Bieksa, Edler, Schneider, Tanev. Basically our entire core that led us to the most successful era in franchise history.

Granted, not all were prospects at the same time, but they were pretty close. What we have now will never do for us what those players did. I don't see any top line, let alone ppg talent in our pipeline. No top pairing D.
That's really cheating. No way are they close. When Kesler made the team, The Sedins had like 5 years in the NHL under their belt.

That's like combining the best of three eras into one.


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Yes it is. Naslund Bertuzzi were not really prospects. Naslund was a fluke that we got him and he turned out how he did. Bertuzzi was a late bloomer.

The Sedins were alone for good prospects coming up through the system. I really like Allen though.

We have about 6 players now that could all be top 6 if things work out right.

We have never had this prospect depth before. That is for damn sure. We have so many decent prospects now that after all the BS we went through with the cupboards bare, we are considering trading an asset away! (and not being to worried about it)

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Meh... that's like saying Yakupov isn't a prospect. I'd still consider him a prospect.
He is not nor should he be considered one. He's been pro for 2 years.

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