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08-20-2014, 03:11 AM
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Man if Niese could have a good end to this year, and the Mets were willing to spend some money...

I'd ship Niese out in a package for a slugger and replace the top of the rotation lefty slot w/ Lester.
He's a bottom of the rotation arm and has been getting lucky this year. You wont get much for him.

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08-20-2014, 03:26 AM
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If the Mets had a team full of David Wrights (and Nimmo's ceiling is David Wright) they'd be the best team in the league.

Yes, get David Wright's. Not the ****ed up labrum DW's, but the DWright of the previous 2 years.

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08-20-2014, 04:07 AM
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Nimmo's ceiling is David Wright? That's a pretty lofty ceiling to pin on him. I'd be happy if he's just a consistently above average offensive contributor.

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08-20-2014, 10:55 AM
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Nimmo's ceiling is David Wright? That's a pretty lofty ceiling to pin on him. I'd be happy if he's just a consistently above average offensive contributor.
I think a good ceiling comparison for Nimmo would be Bobby Abreu.

Hits for Average and OBP as well as hitting 20-25 homers a year. I don't think he will steal quite as many Abreu did. But, 20 a year.

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I think a good ceiling comparison for Nimmo would be Bobby Abreu.

Hits for Average and OBP as well as hitting 20-25 homers a year. I don't think he will steal quite as many Abreu did. But, 20 a year.
That's a good comp. And Abreu has been around for so long that's it's easy to forget that in his prime, he was a beast.

I think Nimmo's defense projects better than Abreu's. Nimmo looks like he could stick in center. He has enough speed and instincts and a good enough arm to be plus defender in a corner.

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08-20-2014, 01:02 PM
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Nimmo's ceiling is David Wright? That's a pretty lofty ceiling to pin on him. I'd be happy if he's just a consistently above average offensive contributor.
Well yeah, but we all know what the prospect ceiling game is .

Bobby Abreu is a very good comp, too. When I say David Wright, I think high OBP, 450-500 slugging, 20+ HR/SB potential while being good in the field more often than not. Again, that's his absolute ceiling, but I think he'll be an Abreu/Wright-lite if he does become an above average major league player.

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edit- and yes, i'm very high on Nimmo: dude is 21 with a depressed BABIP in AA after slumping a bit to begin, but still has a good wRC+ and absolutely beautiful rate stats.


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You must be a Yankees fan...JN is young/ lefty and signed to a good contract...He is a strong number 3 on a good team and can be a number 2 if things break right on middle of the pack team..Jon's big problem id injuries and confidence he is not a bottom rotation guy




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You must be a Yankees fan...JN is young/ lefty and signed to a good contract...He is a strong number 3 on a good team and can be a number 2 if things break right on middle of the pack team..Jon's big problem id injuries and confidence he is not a bottom rotation guy
I think Jon can be a good number 3, but my hope for him becoming a 2 is gone. I think now he's a decent 3, great 4. His struggles last year and this year have been very unfortunate, but that's life.

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It's hard to not like Jon. His 2012 number were awesome. #2 type numbers. Since then he's been injured on and off. But I still think he's an Andy Pettitte type pitcher. JN to me would be a great number 3.

Even this year, he's 50th in Era and T-60th in WHIP. Granted he pitches in Citi field, pitches in NL, etc, etc ... But it's hard to say he isn't a #3 when he's putting up #2 numbers.

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He's a bottom of the rotation arm and has been getting lucky this year. You wont get much for him.
He's a relatively young lefty who has posted xFIP's over the last five years of 3.80, 3.28, 3.64, 3.84 and 3.83. Those numbers are just fine for a 3, and would also make him a very good 4 or 5. He's very affordable at about $6M for each of the next four years. You're not going to get a king's ransom for him, but he should be able to fetch a nice return.

That said--I wouldn't move him, unless it was for a drastic over-payment. I'd rather trade Gee.

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08-20-2014, 02:18 PM
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Sandy just get us two bats and we will have meaningful games in September...Maybe trade Noah for a big bat

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Sandy just get us two bats and we will have meaningful games in September...Maybe trade Noah for a big bat

i think 2015 will be the beginning of the mets turning things around. I mean we are loaded a pitcher and have harvey coming back. Our farm system is a top 3 system with guys like plawecki nimmo and herrera the closest and then guys like smith and conforto down the road. Hopefully Sandy gets at least 1 power bat and we are a playoff team

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i think 2015 will be the beginning of the mets turning things around. I mean we are loaded a pitcher and have harvey coming back. Our farm system is a top 3 system with guys like plawecki nimmo and herrera the closest and then guys like smith and conforto down the road. Hopefully Sandy gets at least 1 power bat and we are a playoff team
Plawecki should 100000000% be traded. TDA is the catcher of the future for the Mets. Can always sign some guy to be the backup.

If the Mets are looking to make a trade for a big bat, then Plawecki should be in the package.

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08-20-2014, 08:35 PM
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You must be a Yankees fan...JN is young/ lefty and signed to a good contract...He is a strong number 3 on a good team and can be a number 2 if things break right on middle of the pack team..Jon's big problem id injuries and confidence he is not a bottom rotation guy
Me being a Yankees fan has nothing to do with it. NYR2K2 posted Niese' FIP numbers over last 5 seasons. 3.80 mark is considered average. He's a number #3 at best.

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So who could we get for Noah and Plawecki?

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Yankees would kill to have Niese...Isnt a quality start 6 innings and 3 runs? So that's a 4.50 ERA so his 3.80 isn't average




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Yankees would kill to have Niese...Isnt a quality start 6 innings and 3 runs? So that's a 4.50 ERA so his 3.80 isn't average
http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/fip/

The table 3/4 of the way down.

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Pretty good read I never understood the quality start being 4.50 ERA the stats in this article make more sense




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The table 3/4 of the way down.

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Pretty good read I never understood the quality start being 4.50 ERA the stats in this article make more sense
I was harsh on Niese and stand corrected. He's a #3 and not a bottom of the rotation guy (#4 or #5).

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Never in my life have the Yankees and Mets both been this anemic. I think you could put them together in a hybrid team and they still wouldn't be able to hit.

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That's a good comp. And Abreu has been around for so long that's it's easy to forget that in his prime, he was a beast.

I think Nimmo's defense projects better than Abreu's. Nimmo looks like he could stick in center. He has enough speed and instincts and a good enough arm to be plus defender in a corner.
Yes. A better defensive Abreu.

Honestly, I hope they keep Bobby around. Nimmo can learn a ton from him.

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Plawecki should 100000000% be traded. TDA is the catcher of the future for the Mets. Can always sign some guy to be the backup.

If the Mets are looking to make a trade for a big bat, then Plawecki should be in the package.
Place can also be used as a C/1B guy, too.

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If Nimmo comes anything close to Bobby Abreu he'll be a helluva player. Abreu had a 6-7 year stint where he was a 5+WAR player.

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If Nimmo comes anything close to Bobby Abreu he'll be a helluva player. Abreu had a 6-7 year stint where he was a 5+WAR player.
Yeah. If Abreu was able to finish his career a little stronger instead of just dropping off in 2011, he'd be a borderline HoFer.

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