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07-12-2014, 05:16 AM
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Sharks fan talking to my Avs buddy. He is thinking about a sign and trade: ROR @ 7x7 for Evander Kane.

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Straight up I don't see the avs doing that

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Could work kane with his conrtact is close to ROR with 7x7

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Sure? I'd rather do this than follow through with arbitration.

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Straight up I don't see the avs doing that
ROR is talented but he has his fair share of off ice issues. Not sure a family oriented team like the Jets would want another "project player".

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ROR is talented but he has his fair share of off ice issues. Not sure a family oriented team like the Jets would want another "project player".
What "off-ice issues" are you talking about? Seriously. I want to know. If it is the contract negotiation issues, just say it. Otherwise it sounds like you're implying otherwise. ...which is not true.

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ROR is talented but he has his fair share of off ice issues. Not sure a family oriented team like the Jets would want another "project player".
He's a model pro when it comes to hockey. Coaches love him and he practices harder than anyone. He's a soft spoken down to earth guy.

He just is really hard to negotiate with (for Avalanche) for some bizarre reason.

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ROR is talented but he has his fair share of off ice issues. Not sure a family oriented team like the Jets would want another "project player".
Not one single off ice issue. He has contract negotiation issues. Once paid, he's the perfect professional.

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Sharks fan talking to my Avs buddy. He is thinking about a sign and trade: ROR @ 7x7 for Evander Kane.

Flame away.
It has actually been fairly well received even if it is after a 1 year Arbitration ruling (est 5.75-6m) that ends with ROR still a RFA.

In division is tough, but I think the new NHL seems more concerned about getting value rather than pride and future concerns of facing a traded player.

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What "off-ice issues" are you talking about? Seriously. I want to know. If it is the contract negotiation issues, just say it. Otherwise it sounds like you're implying otherwise. ...which is not true.
Prolonged contract issues, bolting to KHL and his Father issues. No one wants players who have issues or baggage (remember Eric Lindros father issues). In the end the Jets might have to take a small risk on a player like ROR to get rid of Kane (who tends to be a bit of a jerk). Reminds me a bit of the Seguin trade.

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Prolonged contract issues, bolting to KHL and his Father issues. No one wants players who have issues or baggage (remember Eric Lindros father issues). In the end the Jets might have to take a small risk on a player like ROR to get rid of Kane (who tends to be a bit of a jerk). Reminds me a bit of the Seguin trade.
When did he bolt to the KHL?


Ill answer that for you. He didnt.

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It has actually been fairly well received even if it is after a 1 year Arbitration ruling (est 5.75-6m) that ends with ROR still a RFA.

In division is tough, but I think the new NHL seems more concerned about getting value rather than pride and future concerns of facing a traded player.
As a Jet fan I'd pull the trigger on a ROR for Kane trade, straight up. IMO ROR would be a great fit with the Jets. Sometimes you have to take a bit of risk. ROR's contract status isn't ideal but at least you are RFA protected for 2 seasons. IMO this is good value for a player who is unlikely to be a Jet long term.

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When did he bolt to the KHL?


Ill answer that for you. He didnt.
Sorry my mistake. ROR as you say has had one issue causing his off ice issues. Kane is the something I believe. Kane's issues are caused by the fact he doesn't see the team progressing fast enough, he just wants to win now and often. He's fustrated by a team missing the playoffs year after year and having brutal line mates each year. I would be annoyed also, but he's handling it wrong if he truly wants out to go to a team who is contending now. Instead of saying or not saying what he has to date, he should say publicly how great WPG is to play in and quietly go to Chevy and say I want out. He may of done this already and fustrated by the slow progress trading him.

Kane is one of the best LW in the NHL, anyone who argues that needs to check his stats vs the other top LW. Kane is immature young man with a burning desire to win now. We'll see how it turns out. Jets fans love his play on the ice, but tend to roll their eyes about his off ice issues.

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Sorry my mistake. ROR as you say has had one issue causing his off ice issues. Kane is the something I believe. Kane's issues are caused by the fact he doesn't see the team progressing fast enough, he just wants to win now and often. He's fustrated by a team missing the playoffs year after year and having brutal line mates each year. I would be annoyed also, but he's handling it wrong if he truly wants out to go to a team who is contending now. Instead of saying or not saying what he has to date, he should say publicly how great WPG is to play in and quietly go to Chevy and say I want out. He may of done this already and fustrated by the slow progress trading him.

Kane is one of the best LW in the NHL, anyone who argues that needs to check his stats vs the other top LW. Kane is immature young man with a burning desire to win now. We'll see how it turns out. Jets fans love his play on the ice, but tend to roll their eyes about his off ice issues.
Kane is one of the last players the Avs would go after anyways. He would have 0 chemistry with Duchene.

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Kane is one of the last players the Avs would go after anyways. He would have 0 chemistry with Duchene.
That may or may not be true, I haven't advocated any trade with Col. I simply commented on this thread. I have zero opinion if Kane would be a good fit or not.

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I'd do this trade. Good swap for a young goal scoring winger.

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Makes the most sense for both teams as they are in similar situations- not likely to realize full value in a trade, different reasons (contract vs. behavior) but nonetheless true.

As an Avs fan I don't want ROR traded period but if it comes to that better do it this summer and Kane is likely the best option.

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Prolonged contract issues, bolting to KHL and his Father issues. No one wants players who have issues or baggage (remember Eric Lindros father issues). In the end the Jets might have to take a small risk on a player like ROR to get rid of Kane (who tends to be a bit of a jerk). Reminds me a bit of the Seguin trade.
Let rephrase this for you for clairity:
-The issue with RoR is the contract negotiations with him and the Avs.

-He played in the KHL during the lockout, as many other NHL players did. He played until an injury and then sat out until the Cal offer sheet.

-While his father is an interesting character, it certainly not quantifiable as "father issues". It would be more accurate to note his Agent is known for playing hardball in negotiations however that gets back to the 1st point.

Please try and refrain from using misleading language and stick to the actual facts of the situation.

While Kane has been slammed by the media more harshly than I feel is fair, he does have actual concerns off the ice.

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Sorry my mistake. ROR as you say has had one issue causing his off ice issues. Kane is the something I believe. Kane's issues are caused by the fact he doesn't see the team progressing fast enough, he just wants to win now and often. He's fustrated by a team missing the playoffs year after year and having brutal line mates each year. I would be annoyed also, but he's handling it wrong if he truly wants out to go to a team who is contending now. Instead of saying or not saying what he has to date, he should say publicly how great WPG is to play in and quietly go to Chevy and say I want out. He may of done this already and fustrated by the slow progress trading him.

Kane is one of the best LW in the NHL, anyone who argues that needs to check his stats vs the other top LW. Kane is immature young man with a burning desire to win now. We'll see how it turns out. Jets fans love his play on the ice, but tend to roll their eyes about his off ice issues.
There is no way that this can be proven, however even then it is no excuse. What you are refferring to is Kane's lack of professionalism and poor handling of his situation.

Actions like Kane favorting tweets implying his trade out of WPG continues to show this.

I would say he is one of the more gifted LW's in the league, however there are many more factors in being a hockey player than a good frame and talent.

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Sharks fan talking to my Avs buddy. He is thinking about a sign and trade: ROR @ 7x7 for Evander Kane.

Flame away.
I would take Simmonds with a small + from the Flyers before I would take Kane.

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Would be great having RoR locked up for 7 years, 7mil is a bit much but if he signed for less I'm sure the AV's would be happy to keep him, and I think the added 2mil or so after unloading kane's contract and gaining this one still fits under the Jet's internal cap for the season. But with cap rising (and hopefully RoR getting better) over the years the contract will look less and less of an overpayment. Definitely tempting.

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Kane is one of the last players the Avs would go after anyways. He would have 0 chemistry with Duchene.
Did you find that out by using your crystal ball, or did you have to use a big giant space bug?

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Let rephrase this for you for clairity:
-The issue with RoR is the contract negotiations with him and the Avs.

-He played in the KHL during the lockout, as many other NHL players did. He played until an injury and then sat out until the Cal offer sheet.

-While his father is an interesting character, it certainly not quantifiable as "father issues". It would be more accurate to note his Agent is known for playing hardball in negotiations however that gets back to the 1st point.

Please try and refrain from using misleading language and stick to the actual facts of the situation.

While Kane has been slammed by the media more harshly than I feel is fair, he does have actual concerns off the ice.
You don't think ROR has off line issues, I don't think Kane has off ice issues. For you to state Kane's items are more serious than ROR is a joke cause you are setting your opinions on things you don't know are actual.

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I wanted this trade to happen before the draft so it could have been o'reilly+23 for kane+9. for it to happen now jets would have to add a 2016 1st since 2015 are worth to much.

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Let rephrase this for you for clairity:
-The issue with RoR is the contract negotiations with him and the Avs.

-He played in the KHL during the lockout, as many other NHL players did. He played until an injury and then sat out until the Cal offer sheet.

-While his father is an interesting character, it certainly not quantifiable as "father issues". It would be more accurate to note his Agent is known for playing hardball in negotiations however that gets back to the 1st point.

Please try and refrain from using misleading language and stick to the actual facts of the situation.

While Kane has been slammed by the media more harshly than I feel is fair, he does have actual concerns off the ice.

I stated the issues, no misleading language was used. They are still concerns no matter how anyone spins it.

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