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Ryan O'Reilly to the preds

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07-12-2014, 02:54 PM
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Ryan O'Reilly to the preds

To preds : ROR

To avs : Kevin fiala, Ryan Ellis, 2015 second round pick, 2016 third round pick

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They'll want Josi, probably not a package.

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To preds : ROR

To avs : Kevin fiala, Ryan Ellis, 2015 second round pick, 2016 third round pick
I cant see the Avs having a single interest in ANY of those players. Maybe a small bit in Fiala, but not even close.

They arent rebuilding so they dont need picks and they have plenty of offensive Dman prospects.

NTY

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No. Josi or no dice.

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josi, and we can talk.

and looking at preds LDs, that's a no go.

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They'll want Josi, probably not a package.
This thread will become 3 pages of this or Jones probably.

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If you want us to hand a division rival one of their biggest needs, then you'll have to try harder than that. Josi or nothing. Whether that works for the Preds or not is irrelevant. There will be plenty of suitors for ROR if he becomes available, and they won't all be in the division which makes them far more attractive destinations.

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Jones, Josi or bust.

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If you want us to hand a division rival one of their biggest needs, then you'll have to try harder than that. Josi or nothing, whether that works for the Preds or not is irrelevant.
I would take Jones or Weber as well ..

Other than that your point stands...

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It's not to often a star is traded for a star. I know in hf world it is but not always the real life case.

Avs may not get full value for him as it's getting kind of obvious he may want out if they won't pay him. Especially with possibly second visit coming to arbitration.

I do understand the division rivalry part of it though....
But josi >> ROR.

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It's not to often a star is traded for a star. I know in hf world it is but not always the real life case.

Avs may not get full value for him as it's getting kind of obvious he may want out if they won't pay him. Especially with possibly second visit coming to arbitration.

I do understand the division rivalry part of it though....
But josi >> ROR.
RoR has never been to Arb before, it was an offersheet. Also considering the only issue is that he wants more money that the Avs(but not most NHL teams) are willing to spend, along with his age, dynamic and scoring levels he will be a very sought after player.

Given your initial proposal and than you think Josi is far greater than(>>) RoR, it is quite obvious that you aren't considering Colorado's needs what so ever and your personal bias towards the preds is causing you to heavily overvalue their players.

You wont have a shred of success here.

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Don't go after ROR, preds. Just try to develop your prospects. Also the offense should see a boost in Lavi's system.

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Also Preds fans, not sure ROR signs there, Cal wasn't always enamored with that organization during his stay in Milwaukee and Nashville. Something to keep in mind if you could stomach moving Josi, which you will not.

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It's not to often a star is traded for a star. I know in hf world it is but not always the real life case.

Avs may not get full value for him as it's getting kind of obvious he may want out if they won't pay him. Especially with possibly second visit coming to arbitration.

I do understand the division rivalry part of it though....
But josi >> ROR.
Poile is more desperate for a center than Sakic is for a defender. I think it would be Preds that would come calling in this case.

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It's not to often a star is traded for a star. I know in hf world it is but not always the real life case.

Avs may not get full value for him as it's getting kind of obvious he may want out if they won't pay him. Especially with possibly second visit coming to arbitration.

I do understand the division rivalry part of it though....
But josi >> ROR.
Can you give example of forward that would = Josi?

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What about?

Edmonton gets
O'Reilly

Colorado gets
Josi

Nashville gets
Eberle

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What about?

Edmonton gets
O'Reilly

Colorado gets
Josi

Nashville gets
Eberle
preds say no.

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Can you give example of forward that would = Josi?
Can you? Because all this is going to lead to is you bashing any player he says is equal to Josi

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Can you? Because all this is going to lead to is you bashing any player he says is equal to Josi

For me it's ROR, im intereseted how he values Josi since >>RoR takes us imo to Duchene/Seguin

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Can you? Because all this is going to lead to is you bashing any player he says is equal to Josi
I would say that players of the ilk of Eberle, JVR, O'Reilly, etc, are similar to Josi, but maplepred has already established that he believes Josi is significantly better than ROR. So yes, I'm also very curious to hear who he thinks is comparable to Josi. The next tier of players after the guys I mentioned are the Couture's and Duchene's of this league.

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Can you? Because all this is going to lead to is you bashing any player he says is equal to Josi
I think most reasonable people think ROR is very close to Josi. One has contract issues, one has concussion issues. Both are very good players.

The guy claiming Josi>>ROR is either overvaluing Josi or undervaluing ROR.

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Don't go after ROR, preds. Just try to develop your prospects. Also the offense should see a boost in Lavi's system.
Next year should be really interesting. It will show if NSH's defense is as good as it was in years past or if it was Trotz. It will also show if Trotz's system held back the offense or if NSH is just bare on the depth chart.

IMO the Neal deal will come back and haunt them big time.

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I said josi >> oreilly because IMO he is.

How many franchise defensemen are there in this league compared to top six forwards??

There is way more top six forwards than top pairing forwards.

So if the preds were to move josi I would want a top three forward which oreilly is borderline.

There are less Josi's out there than there are O'Reilly's.

I would not do it straight up, not a chance.

I will not a name a forward specifically I would trade josi straight up for because I know no matter who I say I will get bashed, but I'm saying he is worth more than ror 'IMO'.

Plus josi makes pennies compared to some defensemen and is signed for long time.

Makes almost half of phaneuf which is a joke.

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Keep in mind Josi is locked into a very favorable contract, I would value him more than ROR too.

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I said josi >> oreilly because IMO he is.

How many franchise defensemen are there in this league compared to top six forwards??

There is way more top six forwards than top pairing forwards.

So if the preds were to move josi I would want a top three forward which oreilly is borderline.

There are less Josi's out there than there are O'Reilly's.

I would not do it straight up, not a chance.

I will not a name a forward specifically I would trade josi straight up for because I know no matter who I say I will get bashed, but I'm saying he is worth more than ror 'IMO'.

Plus josi makes pennies compared to some defensemen and is signed for long time.

Makes almost half of phaneuf which is a joke.
I'm confused, did you just call Josi a franchise defensman, or were you talking about Shea Weber?



Incidentally, O'Reilly was 32nd in scoring among forwards last year, so how exactly is he only a borderline top line forward?

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