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07-14-2014, 06:16 PM
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.... Usually Calgary gets screwed over in the trade proposals... I'd take this and run... Run and never look back.

In all seriousness, Boston is getting hosed. If you want to get rid of Boychuk that bad, we will at least give you something decent.


Glencross


Boychuk

Glencross is one of those natural scorers, and has a pretty good contract too (2.5m).
Why get rid of Glencross. I know Calgary has a let of LW, but he is a good fit long term in Calgary, and I think there is a good chacne he re-signs


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Hand in your Bruins fan card. We just got hosed

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07-14-2014, 08:39 PM
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Why get rid of Glencross. I know Calgary has a let of LW, but he is a good fit long term in Calgary, and I think there is a good chacne he re-signs
Plus if he has a decent season and we trade him at the deadline he probably gets us a good draft pick and a good prospect. No insult to JB, but I don't think its a good idea for the Flames to trade assets to a guy that could be gone before the rebuild is complete.

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07-14-2014, 08:46 PM
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Trade Boychuk and Kelly to Flames for Bollig. This trade will give us cap space to fill out the rest of the roster as well as a player that has playoff experience and is a top 4th liner in the league. The Flames also benefit with two proven veterans for there young team to learn from and they still would have 13 Mill in cap space.

You should not make trade proposals. That is Terrible for the Bruins.

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07-14-2014, 09:07 PM
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Trade Boychuk and Kelly to Flames for Bollig. This trade will give us cap space to fill out the rest of the roster as well as a player that has playoff experience and is a top 4th liner in the league. The Flames also benefit with two proven veterans for there young team to learn from and they still would have 13 Mill in cap space.
You want to trade a guy who played #2-3 pairing D on one of the best NHL teams in the league for a ****ing 4th line player. And then we add Kelly.

**** no.

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07-14-2014, 09:47 PM
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I definitely would do this then:


Wideman (50% retained)
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Boychuk
Kelly
Ferlin

Wideman slots in as the top 4 D with Seidenberg. As far as I remember, Seidenberg is a pretty defensive guy, Wideman would be the offensive-minded player.
Bruins can't trade Boychuk. it would create a hole on the top 4.

Glencross is in his final year and has been often injured. The Flames won't make the playoffs with or without Glencross and with or without Boychuk.

I think a package of McQuaid,Bartkowski and Spooner was more than reasonable. Spooner would be in the NHL if he wasn't on the Bruins. Bruins are very deep at center with Krejci,Bergeron,Soderberg,Kelly,Campbell,Spooner and Kokolachev..

I like that you asked for Ferlin, i think he has the makings of a good power forward in the next couple of years.

And i have to agree with the others wanting no part of Wideman...lol.

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07-14-2014, 10:46 PM
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I am a Calgary Fan and by the sounds of some of you Bruins Fans I definitely want to trade with your team lol!

Calgary does offer cap relief and it will to be cheap. Wideman wont be traded, too big a cap hit that your team cant afford and our team cant afford to lose. I also must mention I like A HEALTHY Dennis Wideman. Start of the season last year the guy was great, ate huge icetime and was hitting everything in sight. I thought he was playing awesome. Then he got hurt, hurt again, and then looked terrible which I will fully admit. People can argue but moral of the story is he is not getting traded to Boston for cap reasons on both teams.

Honestly don't see a trade happening with the Flames in the near future with any team. Our management is pig headed in regards to cap dumps, yet a second later pay 3 million for a 1 million dollar player lol! Whatcha gonna do?

Team values prospects too. Doubt we make any moves all year long. Sucks for fans, cause we all like trades, Calgary just has to wait a few years for the prospects to develop. I am willing to wait.

Yet if Boston wants to give players away for nothing? Hey we will listen!

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07-14-2014, 11:58 PM
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Instead of getting fixated on Boychuck, why not this:

Bollig for Kelly + Boston's 2nd round pick in 2015

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07-15-2014, 12:04 AM
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I am a Calgary Fan and by the sounds of some of you Bruins Fans I definitely want to trade with your team lol!

Calgary does offer cap relief and it will to be cheap. Wideman wont be traded, too big a cap hit that your team cant afford and our team cant afford to lose. I also must mention I like A HEALTHY Dennis Wideman. Start of the season last year the guy was great, ate huge icetime and was hitting everything in sight. I thought he was playing awesome. Then he got hurt, hurt again, and then looked terrible which I will fully admit. People can argue but moral of the story is he is not getting traded to Boston for cap reasons on both teams.

Honestly don't see a trade happening with the Flames in the near future with any team. Our management is pig headed in regards to cap dumps, yet a second later pay 3 million for a 1 million dollar player lol! Whatcha gonna do?

Team values prospects too. Doubt we make any moves all year long. Sucks for fans, cause we all like trades, Calgary just has to wait a few years for the prospects to develop. I am willing to wait.

Yet if Boston wants to give players away for nothing? Hey we will listen!
Chris Kelly for future considerations. Done.

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07-15-2014, 01:33 AM
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Chris Kelly for future considerations. Done.
Why would Calgary just take on all that trash contract for nothing?

you can give us a top 60 pick for that contract or hang on to a 3+ million dollar 4th liner for the next 2 years

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07-15-2014, 01:35 AM
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Why would Calgary just take on all that trash contract for nothing?

you can give us a top 60 pick for that contract or hang on to a 3+ million dollar 4th liner for the next 2 years
Kelly is an excellent 3rd line center who's an elite PKer. He's a terrific leader too.

Bruins fans just want him gone because center depth is a strength in our organization and we need cap space. Kelly is far from a "3+ million dollar 4th liner".

Op is ridiculous. More than half of the teams in the league are always looking for a defenseman like Boychuk. Physical, bomb of a slapshot, steady defensively, clutch.... The perfect #3.

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Kelly is an excellent 3rd line center who's an elite PKer. He's a terrific leader too.

Bruins fans just want him gone because center depth is a strength in our organization and we need cap space. Kelly is far from a "3+ million dollar 4th liner".

Op is ridiculous. More than half of the teams in the league are always looking for a defenseman like Boychuk. Physical, bomb of a slapshot, steady defensively, clutch.... The perfect #3.
Awesome.

Now consider that Matt Stajan has been playing Calgary's #3 center and put up almost twice as many points as Kelly in pretty much as many games for a whopping 125K more than Kelly did.

Chris Kelly may have tangibles and a good attitude, but that doesnt deter from the fact that he is richly overpaid and not worth the price to anyone unless they are desperate to reach the cap floor. Stajan is a much better 3rd line C than Kelly is.

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07-15-2014, 02:56 AM
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Kelly is an excellent 3rd line center who's an elite PKer. He's a terrific leader too.

Bruins fans just want him gone because center depth is a strength in our organization and we need cap space. Kelly is far from a "3+ million dollar 4th liner".

Op is ridiculous. More than half of the teams in the league are always looking for a defenseman like Boychuk. Physical, bomb of a slapshot, steady defensively, clutch.... The perfect #3.
Calling Kelly a 4th line center is an overstatement. Calling him an excellent 3rd line center is an overstatement. He's an average 3rd line center on the decline. We already have a slightly better version of him in stajan not to mention 3 3rd line centers in Arnold, reinhart and knight coming. We have no need for Kelly so for us he's a cap dump. Guys like Backlund, Nielsen and hanzal are excellent 3rd line centers. Not guys like stajan and Kelly.

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Calling Kelly a 4th line center is an overstatement. Calling him an excellent 3rd line center is an overstatement. He's an average 3rd line center on the decline. We already have a slightly better version of him in stajan not to mention 3 3rd line centers in Arnold, reinhart and knight coming. We have no need for Kelly so for us he's a cap dump. Guys like Backlund, Nielsen and hanzal are excellent 3rd line centers. Not guys like stajan and Kelly.
Did you know that Stajan plays more minutes for the Flames than any Bruin forward except David Krejci plays for the Bruins? Stajan is not playing average 3rd line minutes, he is playing 1st or 2nd line minutes.


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This is a terrible deal for the Bruins. Boychuk is worth so much more than that. If they wanted to move Boychuk without taking an NHL salary back there would be teams falling all over each other trying to trade picks and prospects for him.
This.

When you have decent players on decent contracts, you can get back full value even if you need to create cap space.

As long as a number of teams want your player, his value does not decrease even if you need cap space.

Boychuck/Kelly could be moved for decent draft picks of some sort.

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yuck... no. bad trade.

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Why get rid of Glencross. I know Calgary has a let of LW, but he is a good fit long term in Calgary, and I think there is a good chacne he re-signs
Plenty of younger LW's knocking on the door. Trade him while he still has high value (especially with that contract). If he wants to resign here int he offseason, sure, come on back.

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Did you know that Stajan plays more minutes for the Flames than any Bruin forward except David Krejci plays for the Bruins? Stajan is not playing average 3rd line minutes, he is playing 1st or 2nd line minutes.
But why let facts and reality get in the way? That doesn't help his argument at all

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But why let facts and reality get in the way? That doesn't help his argument at all
That's the truth.

Kelly isn't the best player, he isn't the worst either, but he is a great leader according to everyone and he is a great penalty killer and he can score 15 goals a year from the 3rd line. Maybe some years more and some years less, but if he doesn't break a bone or something that is pretty close to what he has been.

He would help a good many teams including a team like the Flames that has to rely on players like Stajan to play so many minutes. He could also be had for pretty much nothing. I just don't see how that is a bad deal for a team like Calgary.

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That's the truth.

Kelly isn't the best player, he isn't the worst either, but he is a great leader according to everyone and he is a great penalty killer and he can score 15 goals a year from the 3rd line. Maybe some years more and some years less, but if he doesn't break a bone or something that is pretty close to what he has been.

He would help a good many teams including a team like the Flames that has to rely on players like Stajan to play so many minutes. He could also be had for pretty much nothing. I just don't see how that is a bad deal for a team like Calgary.
The Flames just don't need him. They're nowhere near competitive, and they have a glut of guys who can play in their bottom 6. The last thing they need is to add another bottom 6 forward for no reason.

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But why let facts and reality get in the way? That doesn't help his argument at all
If you would like facts and reality, you could maybe look at the entire span of the season. Stajan started the year out playing top line minutes and got sub-planted by Backlund and then later on he split duties with Monahan, that ups his TOI average.
After the new year, Stajan's average TOI/G dropped down to about 2-3 minutes above that of Kelly.

It also doesnt deter from the fact that Stajan is our 3rd line Center, Stajan is much better than Kelly, Kelly is a cap boat anchor and you would have to pay to move him out.

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If you would like facts and reality, you could maybe look at the entire span of the season. Stajan started the year out playing top line minutes and got sub-planted by Backlund and then later on he split duties with Monahan, that ups his TOI average.
After the new year, Stajan's average TOI/G dropped down to about 2-3 minutes above that of Kelly.

It also doesnt deter from the fact that Stajan is our 3rd line Center, Stajan is much better than Kelly, Kelly is a cap boat anchor and you would have to pay to move him out.
So your saying my statement is correct? In your own words you illustrate that even once Stajan is relegated to third line minutes he still averages more than 2 to 3 minutes of ice time per game. That works out to an additional 164 to 246 more minutes on the ice for Stajan over the course of a season and that's not including the extra ice time he has on the top lines. Kelly gets no pp time and a lot of pk time which doesn't really lend itself to extra scoring chances. Listen Calgary may not have a need for him and that's fair to say. But to say Stajan is so clearly a better option than Kelly is just purely false. You refer to Kelly as a cap boat anchor but in many people's opinions Kelly surely is the better player which with Stajan making more money would make him less valuable than said anchor. Kelly is the guy Bruins fans key in on as a guy we'd be willing to move because we can afford to lose him because of our depth down the middle. B's brass love him and his leadership so IMO I don't think he's even on the market thus the ntc.

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Kelly >> Stajan

I wouldn't trade Kelly for Stajan

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Instead of getting fixated on Boychuck, why not this:

Bollig for Kelly + Boston's 2nd round pick in 2015
This.

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If Boston was to contemplate that ...Oilers up that by offering 2nd round pick for Boychuk and Kelly.

Oilers 2nd round >>>>>> Bollig

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