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Drafts in Years with Expansion Teams

I was reading about hockey somewhere online and it was mentioned to some extent how in the 1991 draft Quebec was given the first overall pick for having the worst record in the 90-91 season, giving them the opportunity to draft Eric Lindros, even though San Jose was about to join the league through expansion. However, in the very next draft, both Tampa Bay and Ottawa were poised to join the league for the 92-93 season and Tampa had the 1992 first overall pick and Ottawa the second overall. The 90-91 Nordiques finished last in the league and got the first overall pick despite San Jose joining the upcoming season, and the 91-92 Sharks finished last, but selected 3rd overall behind expansion Tampa Bay and Ottawa. Why did back to back drafts have seemingly different rules regarding where expansion teams selected? Doing a quick check on Wikipedia, is it because San Jose was able to take players from the North Stars and were not your typical expansion franchise? Also, how different would the league look or progress in the 90s if Lindros ends up in San Jose instead of Quebec and forcing his way to Philly?

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I was reading about hockey somewhere online and it was mentioned to some extent how in the 1991 draft Quebec was given the first overall pick for having the worst record in the 90-91 season, giving them the opportunity to draft Eric Lindros, even though San Jose was about to join the league through expansion. However, in the very next draft, both Tampa Bay and Ottawa were poised to join the league for the 92-93 season and Tampa had the 1992 first overall pick and Ottawa the second overall. The 90-91 Nordiques finished last in the league and got the first overall pick despite San Jose joining the upcoming season, and the 91-92 Sharks finished last, but selected 3rd overall behind expansion Tampa Bay and Ottawa. Why did back to back drafts have seemingly different rules regarding where expansion teams selected? Doing a quick check on Wikipedia, is it because San Jose was able to take players from the North Stars and were not your typical expansion franchise? Also, how different would the league look or progress in the 90s if Lindros ends up in San Jose instead of Quebec and forcing his way to Philly?
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The Sharks getting the #2 pick was a result of a compromise that had the league expanding a year earlier than it was originally planning.

The Gunds were threatening to move the North Stars to Oakland, which would have torpedoed any expansion to San Jose - which was considered one of the plum expansion cities with a new Arena already approved by voters and about to begin construction. The city of San Jose had already awarded Howard Baldwin the rights to own/operate an NHL team in the new arena.

The league worked out a compromise in May 1990. The Gunds sold the North Stars to Baldwin, the Gunds were awarded the expansion franchise in San Jose (starting in the '91-'92 season), and there was that funky dispersal draft where the Sharks got to take some players from the North Stars and then both teams took part in the expansion draft.

Given the hype of Lindros in the '91 draft, some NHL teams were opposed to giving the expansion San Jose team the 1st pick. In order to get consensus and work out the whole San Jose / Minnesota deal, the conditions were set that San Jose would get the #2 pick in the '91 draft and whoever finished last in '90-'91 (Quebec) would keep the #1 pick. The Sharks were given the first pick from round 2 onwards.

Note that expansion teams getting the #1 pick has been the exception, not the rule - especially in the 90's rounds of expansion. Only in '92 were the expansion teams awarded the first picks. Atlanta got it's #1 via trade.

1970: Buffalo (#1) - Gilbert Perreault, Vancouver (#2) - Dale Tallon
1972: New York (#1) - Billy Harris, Atlanta (#2) - Jacques Richard
1974: Washington (#1) - Greg Joly, Kansas City (#2) - Wilf Paiement
1979: Hartford (#18) - Ray Allison, Winnipeg (#19) - Jimmy Mann, Quebec (#20) - Michel Goulet, Edmonton (#21) - Kevin Lowe
1991: Quebec (#1) - Eric Lindros, San Jose (#2) - Pat Falloon
1992: Tampa (#1) - Roman Hamrlik, Ottawa (#2) - Alexei Yashin
1993: Ottawa (#1) - Alexandre Daigle, Harfford (from San Jose) (#2) - Chris Pronger , Tampa (#3) - Chris Gratton, Anaheim (#4) - Paul Kariya, Florida (#5) - Rob Niedermayer
1998(*): Tampa (#1) (from Florida via San Jose) - Vincent Lecavalier, Nashville (#2) (from Tampa via San Jose) - David Legwand, San Jose (from Nashville) (#3) - Brad Stuart
1999(**): Atlanta (#1) - Patrick Stefan
2000(***): New York (#1) - Rick DiPietro, Atlanta (#2) - Dany Heatley, Minnesota (#3) - Marian Gaborik, Columbus (#4) - Rostislav Klesla

(*) Nashville was awarded the #2 slot in the Draft Lottery (last place Tampa was #1). San Jose (via Florida's pick) won the lottery, San Jose & Tampa swapped picks as a result of a previous trade, Nashville dropped to #3 and then traded up to #2. Nashville got the #2 pick in subsequent rounds.

(**) Atlanta was awarded the #2 slot in the Draft Lottery (last place Tampa was #1), and then traded up to #1. Atlanta got the #2 pick in subsequent rounds.

(***) Minnesota and Columbus were awarded the #2 & #3 slots in the Draft Lottery (last place Atlanta was #1), the Isles won the lottery and the Wild and BJs dropped to picks #3 & #4. They got picks #2 & #3 in subsequent rounds.

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Thank you for that post, very detailed and informative regarding the first overall pick and expansion teams.

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Thank you for that post, very detailed and informative regarding the first overall pick and expansion teams.
+1, I'll second that.

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