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07-14-2014, 08:35 PM
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Did I miss ROR signing a contract or something? The centerpiece in a deal to bring our best player and our best prospect to the Colorado Avalanche is a guy with no contract? Not only that, but a guy who has been a pain in the ass to sign twice now?

No thanks. Duchene or MacKinnon as the centerpiece if you want Weber. Or ink ROR to a deal, and add to him. And yes, I realize ROR would be our best center. That isn't saying much, and Weber would still be one of the top three defensemen in the entire league.

No to the deal proposed in the OP.

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How is that not good for Preds? ROR would be #1 center in Nashville. Johnson could almost replace Weber and Barrie is awesome upcoming defenseman. Nashville takes this no doubt.
No, Nashville doesn't.

First, ROR doesn't have a contract so you're only trading for his RFA rights, so that lowers his value. If he was signed to a good long contract he'd be more valuable.

Next, Shea Weber is a top 5 player in the league and a franchise defenseman. You don't trade a franchise players for the rights to anyone.

And next, in no way shape or form can Johnson replace Shea Weber, not even almost.

Come back after you actually have a contract for ROR and then maybe, just maybe things are different. Even then, you'd have to add.

but but but Weber's contract..... Already has 41m of it paid...... So he's on a lifetime contract now, 12 years, 79m, left. Nashville would be foolish to trade him now, especially if the main think coming back is the rights to someone that has had a history of difficult negotiations.

And to the guy that call Forsberg the "I still haven't made the NHL, Forsberg" Do you realize that he's 19 years old and Barry Trotz has played a total of 2 19 year olds in his NHL history and both of those were early on.

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Nashville gets absolutely ripped off.

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It's not Peter Forsberg we are talking about.
Its not Yannick Weber either.

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How is that not good for Preds? ROR would be #1 center in Nashville. Johnson could almost replace Weber and Barrie is awesome upcoming defenseman. Nashville takes this no doubt.
In what world? Weber is a top 3 defenceman in the world.

Top 5 if you feel like being mean to him.

Johnson, while still a good defender and a number 1 on most teams, is not a top 20 Defenceman in the league.

Nashville wouldnt touch this deal and Colorado would take it and run away. They get a true number 1 defender, one of the best in the world. You take that everytime.


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07-14-2014, 08:43 PM
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Did I miss ROR signing a contract or something? The centerpiece in a deal to bring our best player and our best prospect to the Colorado Avalanche is a guy with no contract? Not only that, but a guy who has been a pain in the ass to sign twice now?

No thanks. Duchene or MacKinnon as the centerpiece if you want Weber. Or ink ROR to a deal, and add to him. And yes, I realize ROR would be our best center. That isn't saying much, and Weber would still be one of the top three defensemen in the entire league.

No to the deal proposed in the OP.

Well ROR can't be traded until he has a contract so.... But I do agree that the only way that we trade Weber is if Duchene or McKinnon was the centerpiece.

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Well ROR can't be traded until he has a contract so.... But I do agree that the only way that we trade Weber is if Duchene or McKinnon was the centerpiece.
Yeah that's true. I forgot arbitration was filed for.

If they get all the way to arbitration it's a definite no still.

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Well ROR can't be traded until he has a contract so.... But I do agree that the only way that we trade Weber is if Duchene or McKinnon was the centerpiece.
mackinnon has more value than weber

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Tyson Barrie

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Terrible. No absolutely Not.

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07-14-2014, 09:07 PM
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mackinnon has more value than weber
To the Avs or in a vacuum? The former I can accept. The latter is asinine. The Preds wouldn't have to add to Weber to get MacKinnon in a vacuum. Absolutely not.

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Contract situation alone makes this a no-go for Nashville. Two RFAs and a 2 year to UFA...

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Weber is better than Johnson, but not by that much.
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Johnson could almost replace Weber
Lmaoooo definition of a homer.

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mackinnon has more value than weber
.... To the preds and most every other team in the nhl no .. No he doesn't.

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.... To the preds and most every other team in the nhl no .. No he doesn't.
MacKinnon isn't even 19 yet and is on an elc. He has more value than Weber

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MacKinnon isn't even 19 yet and is on an elc. He has more value than Weber
Sooooo I can expect a jones for stamkos to go over well?

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How is that not good for Preds? ROR would be #1 center in Nashville. Johnson could almost replace Weber and Barrie is awesome upcoming defenseman. Nashville takes this no doubt.
WTF? Since when does Johnson almost replace Weber?

Predators say no.

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MacKinnon isn't even 19 yet and is on an elc. He has more value than Weber
If we're talking most value dollar wise, sure. Assuming MacKinnon plays as well as he did or better over the next two seasons his production will definitely be cheaper than Weber's production.

In every other sense of hockey value (except maybe value-to-Colorado) MacKinnon is not more valuable than Weber. At all.

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07-14-2014, 10:29 PM
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Definite yes from COL. COL has to add Duchene, take out Barrie.

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Definite yes from COL. COL has to add Duchene, take out Barrie.
How cute.


Incidentally, how about Hall, Eberle and Petry for Weber and Forsberg?

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Incidentally, how about Hall, Eberle and Petry for Weber and Forsberg?
That would imply Petry had anywhere near as much value as EJ. What a steal for Edmonton.

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That would imply Petry had anywhere near as much value as EJ. What a steal for Edmonton.
I'm well aware, but the Oilers have nobody close to Johnson so I had to make do.



But really, that should make the Edmonton fans in this thread saying this is a fantastic deal for the Avs all the more excited!

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Duchene+ORielly+1st
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We have no need for ROR if Duchene is coming back in the deal, and with arbitration pending I wouldn't include Forsberg just to get him either.

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MacKinnon isn't even 19 yet and is on an elc. He has more value than Weber
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mackinnon has more value than weber
Jones is barely 19, and is also on an ELC. If Mac is worth the (according to Norris voting) 3rd best D in the league (arguably 1st), does it stand to reason that Jones is worth the third best forward, Stamkos? It isn't a perfect analogy, but do you see the point? In no world is Mack worth more than Shea Weber. He's incredibly value, but Weber is the elite of the elite. Mack had an awesome rookie year. Not the same.

That said, there will never be a Weber deal that both sides agree upon. Nashville has too much invested in him to trade him without an overpayment so dumb that no team would make it. We would want a true young #1C (Duchene/Mack)+a great replacement D (EJ) for Weber. Which is, obviously, a ridiculous asking price that would be turned down, and rightly so. But we won't move him and not get a true #1C back.

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MacKinnon isn't even 19 yet and is on an elc. He has more value than Weber
Rielly for Duchene.

Rielly is on his ELC so it works for both teams.

Hell, toronto will throw in Bozak and a 2nd for Sta.... uh.... hm, nevermind I guess.

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