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07-14-2014, 10:56 PM
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Duchene+ORielly+1st
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probably would be fair. But as a fan I'd say no thanks. Duchene is a favorite of mine.

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07-14-2014, 11:03 PM
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How cute.


Incidentally, how about Hall, Eberle and Petry for Weber and Forsberg?
The difference between Hall and Duchene is massive though (with Hall being the much better player and having much higher value). Not the same.

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The difference between Hall and Duchene is massive though (with Hall being the much better player and having much higher value). Not the same.
very cute mate.


In that case, then Johnson>>>>Petry who's nothing more than a marginal second pairing defensman, so it's all fair.

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07-14-2014, 11:11 PM
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The difference between Hall and Duchene is massive though (with Hall being the much better player and having much higher value). Not the same.
much better? You just lost all credibility with me.

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07-14-2014, 11:18 PM
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probably would be fair. But as a fan I'd say no thanks. Duchene is a favorite of mine.
If we are getting Duchene then O'Reilly needs to be changed to a defenseman, preferably a right handed defenseman. Colorado can keep a center, we will keep Forsberg and we get another RHD to fit in somewhere on the blueline.

edit: I know you're saying you'd turn it down, but I'm just illustrating how the deal wouldn't really be ideal for Nashville either.

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To the Avs or in a vacuum? The former I can accept. The latter is asinine. The Preds wouldn't have to add to Weber to get MacKinnon in a vacuum. Absolutely not.
Yes, they quite easily would.


Very few players in the league have more value then Mackinnon right now.

18 year old Calder Trophy winner, 63 point rookie season, former #1 Overall pick with potential to be a Crosby/Stamkos/Malkin level of player. 2 more years left to his ELC and another 6 years of RFA control.



Weber does not have the value of Mackinnon.

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07-14-2014, 11:32 PM
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Avs would of thought about it if they were still bad. 2nd best team in the west does not do this.

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Its not Yannick Weber either.



In what world? Weber is a top 3 defenceman in the world.

Top 5 if you feel like being mean to him.

Johnson, while still a good defender and a number 1 on most teams, is not a top 20 Defenceman in the league.

Nashville wouldnt touch this deal and Colorado would take it and run away. They get a true number 1 defender, one of the best in the world. You take that everytime.
Lol. Only appropriate response.

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07-15-2014, 12:04 AM
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Lol. Only appropriate response.
So well written too.

Does this mean your opinion differs from my opinion? I wonder if you could use your big boy words to explain your opinion and how it differs from my opinion. Maybe other people can weigh in with their opinions about your opinion and my opinion and then we can form new opinions on these opinions?


Hey, I'm curious, did I state a fact when I said EJ isn't a top 20 defender?

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07-15-2014, 02:13 AM
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So well written too.

Does this mean your opinion differs from my opinion? I wonder if you could use your big boy words to explain your opinion and how it differs from my opinion. Maybe other people can weigh in with their opinions about your opinion and my opinion and then we can form new opinions on these opinions?


Hey, I'm curious, did I state a fact when I said EJ isn't a top 20 defender?
I agree. EJ is a #3 defender. Good second pairing guy.

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I agree. EJ is a #3 defender. Good second pairing guy.
No he's an okay #1 and a good #2

Kind of like Brent Seabrook IMO, and if EJ is your #3 defenseman you are a super elite team without a doubt.

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07-15-2014, 03:45 AM
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I agree. EJ is a #3 defender. Good second pairing guy.
#FeelsGoodMan

Can't believe they just won the Central with a #3 guy being our best dman. Realistically the Avs should be looking at 82-0 if they ever do get a legit top pairing dman, huh?

Maybe they can see if the Oil would be dumb enough to do a Petry straight swap?

*Insert the video of EJ ******** on Petry's life here*...

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Horrible for Nashville. ROR is a 2C, EJ is a 2D. Not worth giving up one of the best, if not the best defenseman in the league for.

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I don't see why Colorado does this. Why blow up your strength? They're looking to be an offensive powerhouse and without ROR and Duchene it looks below average. I could maybe see something around ROR for Seth Jones.

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07-15-2014, 04:08 AM
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The difference between Hall and Duchene is massive though (with Hall being the much better player and having much higher value). Not the same.
I'd take duchene over hall any day. He carried the Avs multiple times this year. I got the chance to see him play in Boston in november last year. I was more impressed with him than the majority of the ''elite'' players I have seen live in the past. No disrespect to Hall but I hope that was a joke.

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The difference between Hall and Duchene is massive though (with Hall being the much better player and having much higher value). Not the same.
Massive difference? Much better? Much higher value? Those are some big words when comparing two players that have the same age and similar stats.

What the heck happened last night? Did Hall turn into Gretzky or is it Duchene that suddenly became a 3rd liner?

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07-15-2014, 06:05 AM
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Massive difference? Much better? Much higher value? Those are some big words when comparing two players that have the same age and similar stats.

What the heck happened last night? Did Hall turn into Gretzky or is it Duchene that suddenly became a 3rd liner?
Duchene:

Career: 263P 337GP 0.78PPG (64P/82GP)
Last 2 Seasons: 113P 118GP 0.95PPG (78P/82GP)

Hall:

Career: 225P 246GP 0.91PPG (75P/82GP) <- LOL almost as good as Duchene's 2 BEST Seasons
Last 2 Seasons: 130P 120GP 1.08PPG (89P/82GP)

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Duchene:

Career: 263P 337GP 0.78PPG (64P/82GP)
Last 2 Seasons: 113P 118GP 0.95PPG (78P/82GP)

Hall:

Career: 225P 246GP 0.91PPG (75P/82GP) <- LOL almost as good as Duchene's 2 BEST Seasons
Last 2 Seasons: 130P 120GP 1.08PPG (89P/82GP)

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Stop being so insecure.

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Duchene:

Career: 263P 337GP 0.78PPG (64P/82GP)
Last 2 Seasons: 113P 118GP 0.95PPG (78P/82GP)

Hall:

Career: 225P 246GP 0.91PPG (75P/82GP) <- LOL almost as good as Duchene's 2 BEST Seasons
Last 2 Seasons: 130P 120GP 1.08PPG (89P/82GP)

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Taylor Hall: 75 GP, 27 g, 53 A, 80 pts (ATOI 20:01)
Matt Duchene: 71 GP, 23 g, 47 A, 70 pts (ATOI 18:30)

Total time on ice for the whole season:
Hall: 1501
Duchene: 1313

So Hall had 10 more pts (3 goals) in nearly 200 more minutes (about 10 games worth of ice time).

Massive difference?

That's about as close as it gets when comparing 2 players.

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Neither team does this.

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No he's an okay #1 and a good #2

Kind of like Brent Seabrook IMO, and if EJ is your #3 defenseman you are a super elite team without a doubt.
On Nashville he is a #3, and he is fighting Jones for that spot as soon as this year.

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On Nashville he is a #3, and he is fighting Jones for that spot as soon as this year.
And given another year, maybe two, he's down to #5 depending on what Ekholm and Jones do long term.

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This would never happen. Value wise it's actually not bad, just way too much risk involved for no reason. Weber is obviously better than EJ by quite a bit, but having Weber carrying the entire Avs defense would be worse than having EJ carrying it with Barrie helping out.

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Neither team would do this. Nashville would ask for MORE from Colorado (it's Weber we're talking about after all). The Avalanche value EJ/O'Reilly (Duchene can be interchangeable here) more than Nashville does. The trade would set Colorado back and the Nashville fans would be up in arms about the return for Weber, understandably.

Forgot to mention Barrie here. There's slim pickings on the blueline once EJ and Barrie are removed.

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Yes, they quite easily would.


Very few players in the league have more value then Mackinnon right now.

18 year old Calder Trophy winner, 63 point rookie season, former #1 Overall pick with potential to be a Crosby/Stamkos/Malkin level of player. 2 more years left to his ELC and another 6 years of RFA control.



Weber does not have the value of Mackinnon.
i dunno man. i can understand not wanting to move mackinnon but weber is arguably the BEST defenseman in the world and even if he gets past by someone like doughty he will likley be a top 5 defenseman for a long long time. he doesnt look like he is slowing down.

as rare as true #1 centers are, #1 defenseman are even more rare.

i think it is more likely that a deal around josi and ror gets done then a deal involving weber. im not sure what would be needed to balance it out but you cant expect to get a teams best player for your 3rd best.


as for the hall vs duchene debate. imo the offensive upside is similar but the advantage always goes to the premium position. ie: center. just like the leafs cant build a team around kessel, edmonton wont be able to build a team around hall. imo both edmonton and toronto "could" build a team around duchene though.

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