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07-19-2014, 09:46 AM
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Johnny Boychuck (With a new contract in place, negotiated by Toronto)


1st in 2016
Korbinian Holzer

This gives the Leafs a steady RHD to play with Phaneuf. It gives the Bruins a nice pick, for young talent, and a depth guy in Holzer. Also clears some cap room for the B's to sign there RFAs. Thoughts?

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This could work for both

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Jeez i definately do not want to give up that 1st in the deepest draft of the decade.

Anything else BOS may want ?
2nd 2015 (we'll pry off someother team) + BOS dead weight?

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I don't want Boychuk on our top pairing.

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I don't want Boychuk on our top pairing.
Well I don't want Polak there lol.

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I don't want Boychuk blasting Bruins and punching holes in Rask for the next five years. If he is dealt it must be out west.

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I don't want Boychuk blasting Bruins and punching holes in Rask for the next five years. If he is dealt it must be out west.
Not true; to win it all you have to be able to beat every team. IMO it does not really matter where Boychuck goes (East or West). Boston is a playoff team for many years. What matters :does it help the Bruins over the next several years.

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Done. with the luck the Bruins have in trading with the leafs we'll likely get eichel or Mcdavid with that first.

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People please understand supply and demand. The Bruins are among a number of teams that will have to dump players to get under the cap. Those teams are going to get 10-25 cents on the dollar in terms of return value. Players like Boychuk are going to be moved for minimal return. Something like B level prospect and mid-late round pick. That's it. The thought that they will get a first round pick is absurd.

Rangers, Bruins, Flyers, Capitals, Hawks, and Penguins are all likely going to have to move bodies. With other teams closing in on the cap or their own internal budget, there will be more supply than demand.

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Not true; to win it all you have to be able to beat every team. IMO it does not really matter where Boychuck goes (East or West). Boston is a playoff team for many years. What matters :does it help the Bruins over the next several years.
Not necessarily true; it's actually quite relevant where he goes. To state the obvious, Boston plays 2-3 more games per year against Toronto than against, say, the LA Kings. Additionally, the division standing (and hence home ice for the first 3 rounds of the SCP) could change if Toronto were to get a good player from Boston. Plus, we're more likely to meet Toronto in the playoffs.

Trading a good player out West wouldn't affect Boston as much. It's only relevant twice per year, unless, for some strange reason, both Boston and the particular West team happen to reach the SCF. That's why Boston doesn't really need to care much about how San Jose does, and vice versa.

To be honest, I don't know Toronto's situation well enough to evaluate the trade, but I wouldn't mind movement of Boychuk off the Bruins. He's a great player, but we're in absolute cap hell now. It's not him...it's us.

With Chara and Seidenberg (assuming Seidenberg gets healthy), the Bruins have some great vets, along with some younger D that had last year to be broken in. We need forwards (specifically RW) desperately, and if we can use Boychuk's cap space to get a great forward, all the better.

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Done. with the luck the Bruins have in trading with the leafs we'll likely get eichel or Mcdavid with that first.
you will need a whole lot of luck since that pick is for 2016.

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People please understand supply and demand. The Bruins are among a number of teams that will have to dump players to get under the cap. Those teams are going to get 10-25 cents on the dollar in terms of return value. Players like Boychuk are going to be moved for minimal return. Something like B level prospect and mid-late round pick. That's it. The thought that they will get a first round pick is absurd.

Rangers, Bruins, Flyers, Capitals, Hawks, and Penguins are all likely going to have to move bodies. With other teams closing in on the cap or their own internal budget, there will be more supply than demand.
Keep dreaming. A proven top 3 dman on the market (and pretty safe to say Boston will not trade him unless for a very good return) would have many suitors.

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Not necessarily true; it's actually quite relevant where he goes. To state the obvious, Boston plays 2-3 more games per year against Toronto than against, say, the LA Kings. Additionally, the division standing (and hence home ice for the first 3 rounds of the SCP) could change if Toronto were to get a good player from Boston. Plus, we're more likely to meet Toronto in the playoffs.

Trading a good player out West wouldn't affect Boston as much. It's only relevant twice per year, unless, for some strange reason, both Boston and the particular West team happen to reach the SCF. That's why Boston doesn't really need to care much about how San Jose does, and vice versa.

To be honest, I don't know Toronto's situation well enough to evaluate the trade, but I wouldn't mind movement of Boychuk off the Bruins. He's a great player, but we're in absolute cap hell now. It's not him...it's us.

With Chara and Seidenberg (assuming Seidenberg gets healthy), the Bruins have some great vets, along with some younger D that had last year to be broken in. We need forwards (specifically RW) desperately, and if we can use Boychuk's cap space to get a great forward, all the better.
You are correct in your post and a very good post. I should have stated I am willing to except the challenges of trading Boychuck in the East

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Terrible for Boston. Leafs take your chances at signing him in the offseason because he isn't going to be traded.

He's a top 3-dman, Bruins won't be trading Boychuk as a cap dump.

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Keep dreaming. A proven top 3 dman on the market (and pretty safe to say Boston will not trade him unless for a very good return) would have many suitors.
Get your calculator out and dust it off. Krug and Smith are likely going to cost between 3 and 3.5m each. That puts the Bruins over the cap by almost 2 million with only 11 forwards signed. You add a bottom 6 forward making the minimum at 600k, and you need to subtract a player for more than 2.5m. Bruins have more depth at defense than offense. So that means a player like Boychuk, Krug, or Seidenberg has to go. Just math.

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Terrible for Boston. Leafs take your chances at signing him in the offseason because he isn't going to be traded.

He's a top 3-dman, Bruins won't be trading Boychuk as a cap dump.
I am not sure how you can be so confident of this ????????????

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Frankly, Im not willing to part with a first rounder as toronto.

There is easily a chance that is a top10 pick in 2016 and if toronto sucks this year they are going to go into a major rebuild.

Maybe we can offer a package of young prospects that are almost NHL ready?

Ashton? Biggs? Percy? Obviously we would need to put a package together.

Percy, 2015 2nd rounder, Holzer/biggs? Maybe include someone off our roster as well but nothing substantial?

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Johnny Boychuck (With a new contract in place, negotiated by Toronto)


1st in 2016
Korbinian Holzer

This gives the Leafs a steady RHD to play with Phaneuf. It gives the Bruins a nice pick, for young talent, and a depth guy in Holzer. Also clears some cap room for the B's to sign there RFAs. Thoughts?
No way in hell should a rebuilding team trade their 1st and to be frank, dmen from Boston not playing in Claude Julien's system tend to slide back in performance quickly.

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I am not sure how you can be so confident of this ????????????
Very simple actually. Boston is in "win now" mode. They're cap issues are grossly exaggerated in this forum. Chiarelli has ZERO reason to trade his #2/ #3 dman for "Holzinger & a draft pick"! The Bruins don't have a dman ready to take Boychuks spot in the lineup. So why trade Boychuk for the this package? What is the incentive??????

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Very simple actually. Boston is in "win now" mode. They're cap issues are grossly exaggerated in this forum. Chiarelli has ZERO reason to trade his #2/ #3 dman for "Holzinger & a draft pick"! The Bruins don't have a dman ready to take Boychuks spot in the lineup. So why trade Boychuk for the this package? What is the incentive??????
Explain to me how the a bruins are not in serious cap trouble?

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Not a chance the leafs would give a first for Boychuk, I don't think the leafs will be trading a first for a long time. For OP, I have no idea why you would even consider that.

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People please understand supply and demand. The Bruins are among a number of teams that will have to dump players to get under the cap. Those teams are going to get 10-25 cents on the dollar in terms of return value. Players like Boychuk are going to be moved for minimal return. Something like B level prospect and mid-late round pick. That's it. The thought that they will get a first round pick is absurd.

Rangers, Bruins, Flyers, Capitals, Hawks, and Penguins are all likely going to have to move bodies. With other teams closing in on the cap or their own internal budget, there will be more supply than demand.
Not sure you understand supply and demand because it isn't relevant here. Boychuk isn't a cap dump, he's a solid #2/3 defenseman, and those aren't exactly easy assets to come by. If Boychuk gets moved there will be plenty of interest.

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Get your calculator out and dust it off. Krug and Smith are likely going to cost between 3 and 3.5m each. That puts the Bruins over the cap by almost 2 million with only 11 forwards signed. You add a bottom 6 forward making the minimum at 600k, and you need to subtract a player for more than 2.5m. Bruins have more depth at defense than offense. So that means a player like Boychuk, Krug, or Seidenberg has to go. Just math.
Not a chance they get that much. They have zero leverage in negotiations, they shouldn't end up getting more than $2.5M each. Kelly goes for nothing before we trade Boychuk for scraps.

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Well I don't want Polak there lol.
He won't be.

Gardiner - Phaneuf
Rielly - Robidas
??? - Polak


Also, I have no appetite to trade a 1st round pick to Boston.

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Done. with the luck the Bruins have in trading with the leafs we'll likely get eichel or Mcdavid with that first.
I guess that is possible if McDavid or Eichel don't participate in the draft next year and want to play another year of junior?

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Explain to me how the a bruins are not in serious cap trouble?
Yes the Bruins are tight against the cap but dumping Boychuk for futures is not the answer to the problem. The Bruins can still place Savard on LTIR saving 4 mil as well as move players like Kelly and McQuaid and save another 4.5 mil.

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People please understand supply and demand. The Bruins are among a number of teams that will have to dump players to get under the cap. Those teams are going to get 10-25 cents on the dollar in terms of return value. Players like Boychuk are going to be moved for minimal return. Something like B level prospect and mid-late round pick. That's it. The thought that they will get a first round pick is absurd.

Rangers, Bruins, Flyers, Capitals, Hawks, and Penguins are all likely going to have to move bodies. With other teams closing in on the cap or their own internal budget, there will be more supply than demand.
You don't seem to be understanding supply and demand, Boychuk is the type of player every team in the league would like to add to their team. Boychuk can play as many minutes as a #1 defender and play excellent defense, throw big hits without taking himself out of position, and every playoff he comes up huge. Championship calibre teams need players like Boychuk. He is a guy who can play on the top pairing and allow the #1 guy to play a more offensive game or he can anchor the 2nd pairing and play in every situation.

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