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07-27-2014, 07:38 PM
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Most Famous Contract Disputes?

I was randomly looking at Alexei Yashin's stats and I knew that he had missed the entire 1999-00 season due to a contract dispute, but didn't realize he also missed a good amount of games in the 1995-96 season as well. What are some other examples of players who either threatened to hold out or actually missed games due to contract disputes?

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07-27-2014, 07:45 PM
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07-27-2014, 07:51 PM
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Maybe not too famous outside of NY, but Messier held out to start the 1995 lockout shortened season (he played the first game with the banner raising but then sat out). I'd argue those negotiations and the bitterness that ensued between him and Smith led to Messier leaving in 1997.

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07-27-2014, 07:58 PM
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Fedorov in 97-98 is a big one.

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Bobby Hull

... easily the most famous with the farthest reaching ramifications for not just Chicago but for the entire league.

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07-27-2014, 08:02 PM
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Yes, the Bobby Hull dispute truly shook the NHL and changed the landscape forever.

EDIT: Maybe one of the other disputes in 1972 too, I don't know what was ruled at which point of time in which case. Let's say the 1972 contract disputes changed the hockey world.

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Yashin had an epic contract dispute/holdout with Ottawa

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^^^ yep. Flood gates wide~open with that Hull signing Theo, and it was a long train coming. $Bill Wirtz infuriating, embarrassing, belittling & humiliating Hull in every round of Contract negotiations leading up to that final split.

Another one that had serious ramifications though not to the same magnitude as Hull's signing with the WHA and contained to the Leafs was the totally dysfunctional situation between Ballard & Keon. Dave Keon the last of "The Old Guard", the face of the franchise, beyond useful, had put up some very decent points, the teams Captain & leader. Ballards treatment of him was appalling & when he was pretty much forced into jumping to the WHA, it was at that moment when the wheels really fell off the Leafs wagon.

Still havent been put back on properly 40yrs later. What followed with Sittler in 79/80 & 81 the final nail in the coffin. A culture created thats like a black cloud, bad smell that wont go away. Curse.... Not helped in the 90's when Gretzky wanted to sign & end his career a Leaf and for a lot less than he wound up getting in New York. Rumored he asked for a piece of the club but the Board of Directors wouldnt agree to it.... either that or Steve Stavro asking Cliff Fletcher "how many tickets will that guy sell"? Answer was none, Toronto always sold out, so deal killed.

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Hull's, easily, was the most impactful.

Separately, Robert Gordon Orr's departure from the Bruins certainly was a fascinating study in contractual machinations, what with Eagleson, being offered part of the team, etc.

Wikipedia is not the greatest source, but it summarizes his contract saga quite well (See: "Free agency, and the move to Chicago"):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Orr

Never realized until recently that while a player with the Hawks, #4 apparently never cashed a paycheck, stating that he was paid to play hockey and would not accept a salary if he was not playing.

Yes, some of us do romanticize the greats of the past. Rightly so, in this case.


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Ken Dryden, of course.

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Carl Brewer and Tim Horton had some pretty epic Battles of Will with Imlach.

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Carl Brewer and Tim Horton had some pretty epic Battles of Will with Imlach.
Ya, and usually over a few hundred dollars. Beyond petty when you get into the minutae of it, just how cheap, parsimonious the GM's & owners actually were prior to Expansion & the WHA's birth. Imlach had it in for Bob Baun who was giving Contract advice to players, sat him, drove him out of Toronto eventually.... I mean, you had the Jean Beliveau situation in Quebec, gets signed as a Rookie making more than Maurice Richard & Gordie Howe, the Habs buying the entire QHL to acquire him yet paying peanuts to some awesome players already under Contract..... or Gordie Howe, refusing to sign his second Contract with Detroit not because of $$$ but because Jack Adams had promised him a Red Wings jacket the year before & failed to deliver. Gordie wouldnt sign until he got that jacket and when he did, minimal raise.

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Never realized until recently that While a player with the Hawks, #4 apparently never cashed a paycheck, stating that he was paid to play hockey and would not accept a salary if he was not playing.
Does this mean he cashed 26/80ths of a season's worth of paycheques while in Chicago?

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Does this mean he cashed 26/80ths of a season's worth of paycheques while in Chicago?
Wondering the same thing.

Interestingly, I recall a baseball player named Lyman Bostock doing the same thing around the same time period. Bostock signed as free agent with the California Angels in 1978. (One in the first waves of "big" signings after free agency rules changed dramatically in MLB in the mid-70s.) He got off to a dreadful start that season...and tried to return his salary to the team!

(Sadly, he was killed later that season in a case of mistaken identity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_Bostock )

Anyway, can you imagine that happening today? Not saying that Orr, Bostock and their sports contemporaries were superior people to today's athletes, but it's mind boggling to consider that level of personal ethics.


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Ya, and usually over a few hundred dollars. Beyond petty when you get into the minutae of it, just how cheap, parsimonious the GM's & owners actually were prior to Expansion & the WHA's birth. Imlach had it in for Bob Baun who was giving Contract advice to players, sat him, drove him out of Toronto eventually.... I mean, you had the Jean Beliveau situation in Quebec, gets signed as a Rookie making more than Maurice Richard & Gordie Howe, the Habs buying the entire QHL to acquire him yet paying peanuts to some awesome players already under Contract..... or Gordie Howe, refusing to sign his second Contract with Detroit not because of $$$ but because Jack Adams had promised him a Red Wings jacket the year before & failed to deliver. Gordie wouldnt sign until he got that jacket and when he did, minimal raise.
I am truly impressed with your hockey history knowledge, Killion.

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Pavel Bure's dispute resulted in him getting traded to Florida

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Anyway, can you imagine that happening today? Not saying that Orr, Bostock and their sports contemporaries were superior people to today's athletes, but it's mind boggling to consider that level of personal ethics.
I can imagine it. David Beckham comes to mind.

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I am truly impressed with your hockey history knowledge, Killion.
... thanks. I read a lot. All kinds of junk in the attic.

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Since we are adding baseball players to the mix, players in any sport can thank Curt Flood for the famous stand he took against the reserve clause. Without him, there is no free agency and, more specifically, no way a player can attempt to put his worth on the market to see what he can obtain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Flood

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Maybe not too famous outside of NY, but Messier held out to start the 1995 lockout shortened season (he played the first game with the banner raising but then sat out). I'd argue those negotiations and the bitterness that ensued between him and Smith led to Messier leaving in 1997.
Yeah.. that one is weird too. Messier was still under contract, which is why he was able to play that one game. He held out of training camp, but his holdout only actually lasted two regular season games. The contract he had was for about half the salary of the contract he got. I also don't think there would have been a holdout without a change in MSG management and the lockout itself. Lots of things put a damper on those negotiations, including Keenan's walkout.

The CBA doesn't allow renegotiated contracts anymore, so that kind of thing wouldn't happen in today's league.

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Lindros, much?

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Lindros, much?
Depends on what you define as "contract dispute". Is it a contract dispute when you refuse to sign a contract with a team you have no contractual relation with?

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Coffey's holdout with Edmonton because it resulted in his move to Pittsburgh. First of the dynasty Oilers to leave and got the Penguins to the next level.

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Depends on what you define as "contract dispute". Is it a contract dispute when you refuse to sign a contract with a team you have no contractual relation with?
I suppose that's true.

But since it resulted in him sitting out an entire season, I'd file it.

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Joseph hold out in 1995

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-11-...1_oiler-goalie

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Talks between the Edmonton Oilers and Boston Bruins regarding holdout Oiler goaltender Curtis Joseph are beginning to resemble a soap opera.

A trade, rumored since the season began, appeared imminent last week when Joseph's agent, Don Meehan, told a Canadian radio station, "The basis of a deal has been made." However, the Bruins told Meehan they will "pass for now." Joseph remains with Las Vegas of the International Hockey League, while the Bruins are making do in net with rookie Scott Bailey.

In the hottest-rumored deal, the Bruins would send Shawn McEachern, Mariusz Czerkawski, a prospect and a draft pick to Edmonton for Joseph, providing the Bruins reached agreement with Joseph on a new contract. Joseph, the starting goalie in St. Louis before running afoul of Coach-General Manager Mike Keenan, wants about $7 million over three years. The Bruins don't want to go higher than $2 million a year, so they could be out of luck.

Boston General Manager Harry Sinden said Joseph's demands were high but not excessive, given his credentials. Sinden's reservations centered on giving up young players and compromising the future for the present...


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