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How many players have been point per game players from their first NHL game?

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07-25-2014, 01:11 PM
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How many players have been point per game players from their first NHL game?

How many players have managed to be a point/game player from their first NHL game until retirement? For example Howe, Dionne and Jagr were all under a point/game at the start of their careers, while guys like Lindroos and Selanne scored points in their first game and never dipped under point/game until they retired.

Crosby and Ovechkin are examples of players who's also been point/game players right from game 1 until now. And if something drastic doesn't happen they will retire as point/game players too.

I imagine that this will be a very short list, because it automatically exludes every career point/game player that didn't score a point in his first NHL game.

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07-25-2014, 01:15 PM
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Is the only requirement to have been scored a point in the first game and then still be over PPG at the end of their career?

Would someone who scored in their first game but didn't score for their next 10 but still finished PPG count?

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07-25-2014, 01:40 PM
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Is the only requirement to have been scored a point in the first game and then still be over PPG at the end of their career?

Would someone who scored in their first game but didn't score for their next 10 but still finished PPG count?
I was looking for guys that have been able to always be at least Point/game career wise. So a guy who scores in his first game, but is under Point/game after his 2nd, 5th, 10th, 15th or 50th game, but still ends his career as a Point/game after say 1200 games don't count. I don't know if somebody can find info like this, but the experts seem to be on the history boards. NHL.com only goes back to 87 with their game logs for players, so not much help there with guys who started out before that...

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07-25-2014, 01:51 PM
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Malkin is one of those guys too.


Depending on the criteria, Forsberg might fit the bill too. He scored 4 points in his first three games. But then wen't scoreless for 5 games. But he ended his first season over PPG.
Edit: I saw that you explained it above this post. So Forsberg is out.


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07-26-2014, 12:44 AM
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Gretzky fits the requirements, he scored points in his first 6 games in the NHL to reach 10 pts in that span, after that he went scoreless in the next 3, missed the 10th game, but scored 3 pts in the 11th and never looked back after that.

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Newsy Lalonde, Joe Malone and Cy Denneny all seem to meet the criteria, for the NHL careers specifically.

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We all know Lemieux scored on his first shift.Did he keep the pace in the next games?

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We all know Lemieux scored on his first shift.Did he keep the pace in the next games?
Looking quickly at the Hockey Summary Project, it tells that Mario had 5 pts in his first 5 games (2, 1, 1, 0, 1), but he is blanked on the 6th game, so at that point he would be under a pt per game.

Interesting fact : Looking at these stats it's strange to see that, even though he scored on his first shift ever, Mario only got his second goal on his 9th game and his third goal on his 14th game.

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Looking quickly at the Hockey Summary Project, it tells that Mario had 5 pts in his first 5 games (2, 1, 1, 0, 1), but he is blanked on the 6th game, so at that point he would be under a pt per game.

Interesting fact : Looking at these stats it's strange to see that, even though he scored on his first shift ever, Mario only got his second goal on his 9th game and his third goal on his 14th game.
I would have never guessed that about Mario or even Wayne up thread but we know how it turned out for both guys.

an interesting but trivial, not in a bad but literal sense, thread.

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07-27-2014, 01:12 PM
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Looked again with the Hockey Summary Project for Bossy. He's got 5 pts in his first five games (1, 1, 2, 0, 1) but he doesn't get any points in the next two games so he would drop under the one ppg. He may have been injured on those games but the scoresheet says he's on the lineup.

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Sakic had a good start with points in his first 12 games but had a slump in mid-season, Forsberg came close also but had a bad start with 4 pts in his first 8 games.


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Did a bit of checking on HSP. Among players who began their careers after the '67 expansion:

Definitely Did It
Real Cloutier
Wayne Gretzky
Kent Nilsson
Eric Lindros
Teemu Selanne
Sidney Crosby
Alex Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin


Maybes
Rick Martin
Mike Bossy
Mario Lemieux
Ron Francis
Joe Mullen
Steve Yzerman

With Martin, Bossy and Lemieux, it depends on when their missed games were. There were points where they were below a point for every game their team played, but if they missed one of those games they're still alive. Francis and Mullen were both mid-season call-ups, so trying to definitely identify their first game is difficult. Yzerman probably did it. I checked his first 30 games and he was consistently a couple of points above. Didn't have time to check his entire schedule. Does anyone here have those numbers in a spreadsheet?

Nobody else after expansion could've done it. (This is of course excluding players whose careers consisted of only a few games in one season.)

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Nobody else after expansion could've done it. (This is of course excluding players whose careers consisted of only a few games in one season.)
You checked everyone plausible already?

I figured Peter Stastny was a good candidate, but it looks like after a point in each of his first three games, he went scoreless for the next four.

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You checked everyone plausible already?
Not many players have been at a point-a-game as rookies. Used hockey-reference's index thingy to list all the players who were 1.00+ PPG in their rookie season, and finished their career at 1.00+ PPG. That narrowed it down to a shortlist of candidates. Was able to eliminate Fedorov by his gamelog on HR, a few of the others (Kurri, Trottier, Robitaille, Hawerchuk, Rogers, Stastny) via the HSP summaries.

Edit: I can now say that the only other possibilities are Denneny, Malone, Lalonde and Cameron. Nobody else could've done it.


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Edit: I can now say that the only other possibilities are Denneny, Malone, Lalonde and Cameron. Nobody else could've done it.
I have already confirmed Denneny, Malone and Lalonde earlier in the thread. For their NHL careers only, of course. Haven't checked Cameron fully, he did make it through his first NHL season at 1.00 PPG throughtou.

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