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08-09-2014, 09:51 PM
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Wow I know we have been an awful organization but this post just comes off as exhaguration.
Of course it is, that's why we are going into year 9 with no playoffs. Cause the fans "exhagur-ate" about how bad things are.

Honestly though, is it an exaggeration if you believe it to be true?


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08-10-2014, 02:30 PM
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Sure, if you forget that it has taken 5 years to be a 28th place team and just look at what we have. You are asking for an unbiased opinion the forgets what has happened up till now.

the directoin they are taking, which is to wait for Nurse and Draisaitl, is wasting the 2nd contracts of Hall and Ebs and putting all your chips on 2 unproven kids. So, i disagree with the notion that an unbiased opinion could only be positive. Many unbiased pundits would suggest this is unwise.
Just because we are bottom 5 for 5 years doesn't mean it will take another 5 years to escape the bottom 10. When things start clicking the rise would be much quicker than that. We've had ups and downs so far but developing through the draft is like a deal with the devil. You get a bunch of talented players for nothing, but the cost is that escaping the bottom is not going to be easy. There's no sure way of doing it.

As for wasting ELCs and RFA deals, that is a concern but was ultimately predictable. Even if we were a better team in the last few years we still wouldn't have been a playoff team. Back in 2010, even the most optimistic appraisal would have said that we wouldn't be competing for a cup until Hall was maybe 24 or 25. There's ground to make up but with how fast things can change in the NHL it's not hopeless

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08-10-2014, 02:52 PM
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agree with most, but I'm not completely convinced of the bolded. Mact still hasn't moved a value prospect with high potential or high draft pick for a real player. He seems quite content to just wait for Nurse. He wrote off last season by Remembrance day. He is allowing his coach to learn on the job because he 'believes' he can become a great NHL coach 'someday'. I have yet to see this team compete in the season they are actually playing in, since about 2009.



agree with all.
He moved MPS for Perron.

Of the other good young players/ prospects, there was no really good deal there. He either could deal young players with value, but they were very good young players (Hall, Ebs, Nuge) or deal a player with extremely low value (Yak).

Regarding the picks: he could have absolutely done it to try and snag a good young roster guy, but not sure if there was a second party willingly

He then had good prospects like Klefbom/Marincin/Nurse, but Nurse is one of the better prospects in hockey, not sure hed return FV. If Klefbom/marincin were two years out, id look to deal them for actual NHL D. However Marincin was a legit NHL D last year, and played like a top 4 guy. Klefbom to a lesser degree but he is about 20 AHL games away from being a legit NHL D


Yakimov/Gernat/Musil/Simpson all fit the mold being a tradeable prospects.
-They all have good value (played good in their respective leagues)
-They are all 1 or 2 years away

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08-10-2014, 03:28 PM
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Of course it is, that's why we are going into year 9 with no playoffs. Cause the fans "exhagur-ate" about how bad things are.

Honestly though, is it an exaggeration if you believe it to be true?
Well I believe we are going to win the cup next year

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08-10-2014, 04:19 PM
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^can I have some of what you just took?

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^can I have some of what you just took?
A dose of reality? .. Come on guys put on your rose colored glasses and drink the koolaid, it's a much better feeling. Besides, Oilers are young and bound to improve sometime. I see us being this years Colorado. Book it. You heard it here first folks.

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We should pick up Loktionov. See how he compares with Arcobello and Lander at training camp

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We should pick up Loktionov. See how he compares with Arcobello and Lander at training camp
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Does anybody know how long it took the Kings to "click"? Seemed like quite a while to me.

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Man this board is so boring right now : (

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We should pick up Loktionov. See how he compares with Arcobello and Lander at training camp
I'd be good with that. Worst case scenario, we waive him

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What happens if the coyotes waive Gagner. Could you imagine?

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We should pick up Loktionov. See how he compares with Arcobello and Lander at training camp
I agree. If it looks like we aren't going to get a legit second line centreman, Loktionov would be a good guy to at least come in and compete with Arcobello and Draisaitl for a spot/minutes. Best case scenario he wins a job on the 2nd line, worst case scenario we waive him.

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What happens if the coyotes waive Gagner. Could you imagine?
Here is an even worse case scenario for Oiler fans…he gets 70 pts. with the Yotes.

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What happens if the coyotes waive Gagner. Could you imagine?
I wouldn't take him at his salary especially since we wouldn't even be looking at playing him at center.

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We should pick up Loktionov. See how he compares with Arcobello and Lander at training camp
Agreed. Leaves more competition for all 3 to battle it out for the 2C.

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Here is an even worse case scenario for Oiler fans…he gets 70 pts. with the Yotes.
If that happens I'll eat my hat.

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For people who keep saying Andrei Loktionov, I think his shoulder getting destroyed in the World Championships is a big issue.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ight=loktionov

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I've thought Loktionov would be worth a gamble since the C market thinned. If his profile on this site is accurate, seems like he'd be a great fit here:
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Loktionov is a solid two-way player who can fulfill various roles on the team ranging from a defensive expert on shorthanded units to a playmaker on a power-play unit. He sees the ice well and effectively uses his linemates, creating a number of scoring chances. A couple of more significant improvement areas for Loktionov include his faceoff skills and his scoring ability. Specifically in regards to his scoring ability, while always a danger in the offensive zone, Loktionov prefers to pass rather than shoot and in a shot-filled North American style of hockey a more multi-dimensional game would make him more dangerous and hard to contain.
Plus, he's already had the prerequisite shoulder surgery!

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lol now that someone else mentions Loktionov people are responding.
I'll repeat myself a bit here
Only Jagr had a higher corsi than Loktionov in his time as a Devil and I believe only one or two of their forwards had a worse corsi when playing with him, otherwise they all improved.

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lol now that someone else mentions Loktionov people are responding.
I'll repeat myself a bit here
Only Jagr had a higher corsi than Loktionov in his time as a Devil and I believe only one or two of their forwards had a worse corsi when playing with him, otherwise they all improved.
Wow I am amazed all 30 teams are not in a signing war for this analytic superstar.

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Does anybody know how long it took the Kings to "click"? Seemed like quite a while to me.
I'm glad you asked.

2001-2002 Finished 7th in the West, Lost in Round 1
2002-2003 Finished 10th in the West - Drafted D. Brown #13
2003-2004 Finished 11th in the West
2004-2005 Lockout Year - Drafted Anze Kopitar #11, Jonathon Quick 3rd Round
2005-2006 Finished 10th in the West, 6 points out of the playoffs
2006-2007 Finished 14th in the West - Drafted Wayne Simmonds 2nd Round
2007-2008 Finished 15th in the West - Drafted Drew Doughty #2
2008-2009 Finished 14th in the West - Drafted Brayden Schenn #5
2009-2010 Finished 6th in the West, Lost in Round 1 - Drafted Tyler Toffoli 2nd Round
2010-2011 Finished 7th in the West, Lost in Round 1
Traded Schenn, Simmonds, 2nd to Philadelphia for Mike Richards
2011-2012 Finished 8th in the West, Won Stanley Cup


So to answer your question, the Kings took 4 seasons to make the playoffs, and 6 seasons to win the Stanley Cup from being a basement team. Unlike the Oilers, the Kings were successful in drafting beyond the first pick of the draft.

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Wow I am amazed all 30 teams are not in a signing war for this analytic superstar.
Yeah, its almost as if most of the league already has two top-6 centers on their team already or something..

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How much better the team would be without doing the Cogliano or Visnosky trades

Hall - Nuge - Yakupov
Perron - Cogliano - Eberle
Pouliot - Draisatl - Purcell
Hendricks - Gordon - Lander/Arco
Gazdic

Visnosky - Fayne
Nikitin - Petry
Ference - Schultz

Scrivens
Fasth

Looks soooo much better than what we have now

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I'm glad you asked.

2001-2002 Finished 7th in the West, Lost in Round 1
2002-2003 Finished 10th in the West - Drafted D. Brown #13
2003-2004 Finished 11th in the West
2004-2005 Lockout Year - Drafted Anze Kopitar #11, Jonathon Quick 3rd Round
2005-2006 Finished 10th in the West, 6 points out of the playoffs
2006-2007 Finished 14th in the West - Drafted Wayne Simmonds 2nd Round
2007-2008 Finished 15th in the West - Drafted Drew Doughty #2
2008-2009 Finished 14th in the West - Drafted Brayden Schenn #5
2009-2010 Finished 6th in the West, Lost in Round 1 - Drafted Tyler Toffoli 2nd Round
2010-2011 Finished 7th in the West, Lost in Round 1
Traded Schenn, Simmonds, 2nd to Philadelphia for Mike Richards
2011-2012 Finished 8th in the West, Won Stanley Cup


So to answer your question, the Kings took 4 seasons to make the playoffs, and 6 seasons to win the Stanley Cup from being a basement team. Unlike the Oilers, the Kings were successful in drafting beyond the first pick of the draft.
You can't just disregard the three season plus lockout before 06-07 where they missed the playoffs, they took 7(or 8 if you count the lockout year where you could argue they'd be likely to miss POs) seasons to make the playoffs. The Oilers are running a far worse record no doubt so there's really no need to make the Kings look and sound better than they were.

Similar list for the Oilers:
05-06 Makes Stanley Cup Finals and lose.
06-07 12th in the west.
07-08 9th in the west.
08-09 11th in the west.
09-10 15th in the west.
10-11 15th in the west.
11-12 14th in the west.
12-13 12th in the west.
13-14 14th(last) in the west.
14-15 ??? likely outside of the playoffs(9-12th would be my guess)

That's way worse as is so I don't really see the point in speeding up LAs progress.

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