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08-11-2014, 05:10 AM
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How much better the team would be without doing the Cogliano or Visnosky trades

Hall - Nuge - Yakupov
Perron - Cogliano - Eberle
Pouliot - Draisatl - Purcell
Hendricks - Gordon - Lander/Arco
Gazdic

Visnosky - Fayne
Nikitin - Petry
Ference - Schultz

Scrivens
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Looks soooo much better than what we have now
No, not really. Vis is done and Cogliano = Gagner if we kept him.

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You can't just disregard the three season plus lockout before 06-07 where they missed the playoffs,
Yes, you certainly can when 2/3 of those seasons they missed the playoffs by 3-5 wins. That's a competitive team. I thought the idea of this excersize was to compare them to the Oilers situation.

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05-06 Makes Stanley Cup Finals and lose.
06-07 12th in the west.
07-08 9th in the west.
08-09 11th in the west.
09-10 15th in the west.
10-11 15th in the west.
11-12 14th in the west.
12-13 12th in the west.
13-14 14th(last) in the west.
14-15 ??? likely outside of the playoffs(9-12th would be my guess)

That's way worse as is so I don't really see the point in speeding up LAs progress.
09-10 would be the start of my comparison. Pretty similar seasons between both teams before hitting rock bottom.

And I'd guess this season is closer to 11-14 than 9-12.

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08-11-2014, 06:56 AM
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Yes, you certainly can when 2/3 of those seasons they missed the playoffs by 3-5 wins. That's a competitive team. I thought the idea of this excersize was to compare them to the Oilers situation.



09-10 would be the start of my comparison. Pretty similar seasons between both teams before hitting rock bottom.

And I'd guess this season is closer to 11-14 than 9-12.
Ok, if you draw a line at 09-10 with the Oil I get what you're saying. I just feel missing the playoffs is missing the playoffs, more than half the teams in the league make the playoffs so if you don't make it you're bottom half and doing that 2-3 years or more in a row means you're not really that competitve despite being only 3-5 wins out, an occasional year or two where you miss out with a few points sure, but consistently being a few wins behind means your team isn't very good.
No matter how we cut it I think we can agree that the Oilers are struggling worse.

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08-11-2014, 10:55 AM
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What do you think the Hawks would want in return for Oduya?

Keep Klefbom and MM in the AHL for the start of the year?

Nikitin-Fayne
Oduya-Petry
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Even if you "want" them to tank or not tank, it's not like our desires have any impact on how the team plays.
THANK you awesome transformer of old

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08-11-2014, 11:29 AM
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How much better the team would be without doing the Cogliano or Visnosky trades

Hall - Nuge - Yakupov
Perron - Cogliano - Eberle
Pouliot - Draisatl - Purcell
Hendricks - Gordon - Lander/Arco
Gazdic

Visnosky - Fayne
Nikitin - Petry
Ference - Schultz

Scrivens
Fasth

Looks soooo much better than what we have now
or just De Haan and Shore instead of MPS and Lander/McD over Gagner...

and of course in the same gagner draft....Perron and Pacioretty instead of Plante and Nash

Hall - Nuge - Yakupov
Pacioretty - Draisaitl - Eberle
Pouliot - Shore - Perron
Hendricks - Gordon - Gazdic
Arco

McDonagh - Fayne
De Haan - Petry
Ference - Schultz

Scrivens
Fasth

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08-11-2014, 12:07 PM
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or just De Haan and Shore instead of MPS and Lander/McD over Gagner...

and of course in the same gagner draft....Perron and Pacioretty instead of Plante and Nash

Hall - Nuge - Yakupov
Pacioretty - Draisaitl - Eberle
Pouliot - Shore - Perron
Hendricks - Gordon - Gazdic
Arco

McDonagh - Fayne
De Haan - Petry
Ference - Schultz

Scrivens
Fasth
God that's depressing.

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08-11-2014, 12:14 PM
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God that's depressing.
Every team in the league could what if with the draft until there team is a bunch of superstars

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08-11-2014, 12:26 PM
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or just De Haan and Shore instead of MPS and Lander/McD over Gagner...

and of course in the same gagner draft....Perron and Pacioretty instead of Plante and Nash

Hall - Nuge - Yakupov
Pacioretty - Draisaitl - Eberle
Pouliot - Shore - Perron
Hendricks - Gordon - Gazdic
Arco

McDonagh - Fayne
De Haan - Petry
Ference - Schultz

Scrivens
Fasth
Literally every team can do this for every draft.

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08-11-2014, 01:23 PM
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But what about how McDonagh lifts us into the playoffs two years ago, Ryan Whitney never has the ankle injury And is a Norris winner, and Mike Babcock left the Red Wings for us and how we are the defending Stanley Cup champions and Gretzky was so impressed and came back to solve our 2C crisis...

Etc, etc. What ifs are the worst.

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08-11-2014, 01:51 PM
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what if roloson wasnt injured in game 1, would we care as much about years of bad play for that cup in 06'?

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08-11-2014, 02:10 PM
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Every team in the league could what if with the draft until there team is a bunch of superstars
Every team can but none to the extent the Oilers can.

The Oilers have been the second worst team in the league since the Gretzky trade because they blew every first round pick sans Hemsky between 1995 and 2008.

Recently there has been an upturn in first round drafting (picking first overall for three of those recent years helps with that).

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08-11-2014, 02:34 PM
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Every team can but none to the extent the Oilers can.
That's a flat out lie. And every time someone lists the "possible" line-up it's so disingenuous it's ridiculous.

If you get those "star" guys, you have to account for not getting the follow up drafted player because the team is better. It's just a pointless exercise in misinformation for whatever reason.

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08-11-2014, 06:13 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Matthew Barzal ($0.900m) / Leon Draisaitl ($0.900m) / Nail Yakupov ($0.925m)
Raffi Torres ($2.000m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / David Perron ($3.813m)
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DEFENSEMEN
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Andrew Ference ($3.250m) /
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BUYOUTS
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08-11-2014, 07:26 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Matthew Barzal ($0.900m) / Leon Draisaitl ($0.900m) / Nail Yakupov ($0.925m)
Raffi Torres ($2.000m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / David Perron ($3.813m)
Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Luke Gazdic ($0.800m)
Jujhar Khaira ($0.875m) / Bogdan Yakimov ($0.843m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Nikita Nikitin ($4.500m) / Mark Fayne ($3.625m)
Darnell Nurse ($0.894m) / Justin Schultz ($4.500m)
Martin Marincin ($0.730m) / Jeff Petry ($3.075m)
Andrew Ference ($3.250m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)
Laurent Brossoit ($0.659m)
BUYOUTS
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BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $72,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,638,333; BONUSES: $4,207,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $10,361,667
torres is a 4th liner imo

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Not sure why some are doing "what ifs" with McD and some other players. Pretty sure if we had drafted McD + various other players we wouldn't of been picking Hall or Nuge. You can't what-if the past and expect the events would remain the same to give us similar players as now.

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Ok, if you draw a line at 09-10 with the Oil I get what you're saying. I just feel missing the playoffs is missing the playoffs, more than half the teams in the league make the playoffs so if you don't make it you're bottom half and doing that 2-3 years or more in a row means you're not really that competitve despite being only 3-5 wins out, an occasional year or two where you miss out with a few points sure, but consistently being a few wins behind means your team isn't very good.
No matter how we cut it I think we can agree that the Oilers are struggling worse.
The problem was the Oilers were still shooting to over pay home run UFAs...basically throwing six figure contracts at people. Ofcourse those players all said thanks but no thanks and went elsewhere for less in salary, said yes to paying higher taxes, and said no to any more discussion.

Then we decided to face reality that no one wants to play in edmonton and started trying to create a new feeling within. If you cant attract people to come here...start trying to build the old environment where people didnt want to leave...THEN build through the draft. 2009-10 was the year they organization changed its direction.

This is Edmonton, even one goal from the cup didnt make players who had played elsewhere want to stay in siberia.
2009-2010 was the awakening.

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No, not really. Vis is done and Cogliano = Gagner if we kept him.
Yeah, I think Anaheim was a great place for him to get traded too--big team, with some excellent centermen and good two way forwards who allowed Cogliano to play to his strengths. In Edmonton, I am afraid, he'd be another tweener, not good enough offensively, and ineffective in the bottom 6 role in the absence of strong bottom 6 players.

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lol now that someone else mentions Loktionov people are responding.
I'll repeat myself a bit here
Only Jagr had a higher corsi than Loktionov in his time as a Devil and I believe only one or two of their forwards had a worse corsi when playing with him, otherwise they all improved.
I think, like I said before, is that his shoulder injury is really bad, or teams would be taking a waiver on him for sure.

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This year is simple for putting lines together in my opinion. Eakins should be looking to build chemistry and consistency this year. At this point the ONLY question should be #2 center

Hall RNH Eberle

Keep this line together all year. Enough games and line experiments. Where this line goes, the team goes.

Purcell TBA Perron

This line has to put up 50+ goals, allow less than 50 goals and take some heat off #1 line. Needs a center that can win draws and help in puck possession.

Pouliot Draisaitl Yak

Keep this line together against the soft parade. More ice time at home game where Eakins can line match better. Resist all temptation to experiment with these guys on the 1st and 2nd lines. Even if Yak scores 35 goals and Draisaitl gets 50 assists. The name of the game is chemistry and consistency

Hendricks Gordon Pitlick/lander/Gadzic

A shutdown line that can play 20 min a game if needed. Plus bring along a rookie.

There is no rocket science this year. 2014-15 is the season of the players. Not coaches or management. Less is more

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This year is simple for putting lines together in my opinion. Eakins should be looking to build chemistry and consistency this year. At this point the ONLY question should be #2 center

Hall RNH Eberle

Keep this line together all year. Enough games and line experiments. Where this line goes, the team goes.

Purcell TBA Perron

This line has to put up 50+ goals, allow less than 50 goals and take some heat off #1 line. Needs a center that can win draws and help in puck possession.

Pouliot Draisaitl Yak

Keep this line together against the soft parade. More ice time at home game where Eakins can line match better. Resist all temptation to experiment with these guys on the 1st and 2nd lines. Even if Yak scores 35 goals and Draisaitl gets 50 assists. The name of the game is chemistry and consistency

Hendricks Gordon Pitlick/lander/Gadzic

A shutdown line that can play 20 min a game if needed. Plus bring along a rookie.

There is no rocket science this year. 2014-15 is the season of the players. Not coaches or management. Less is more

I like your thought process but if Draisaitl is on the team to start the season I don't think putting him and Yak on the same line is a good idea unless you have a very good two way NHL player who can drag that line along in all three zones if he has too, and I don't think Pouliot is the guy. Other NHL teams are leaning towards spreading talent throughout 3 lines so it's not a guarantee this line is going to get soft minutes and both Yak and Draisaitl and to an extent Pouliot are going to need strong starts to the season. Having all three on a line to start the season could submarine those guys season pretty quickly.

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The Oilers didn't pay Benoit Pouliot $20 million to play soft minutes.

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That's a flat out lie. And every time someone lists the "possible" line-up it's so disingenuous it's ridiculous.

If you get those "star" guys, you have to account for not getting the follow up drafted player because the team is better. It's just a pointless exercise in misinformation for whatever reason.
Who blew more first round picks than the Oilers did between 1995-2008?

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When was the last time an actual rumour was floating around to discuss? I hate the dog days of summer.

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When was the last time an actual rumour was floating around to discuss? I hate the dog days of summer.
Yeah, August is pretty boring for hockey fans. I get that GMs need the time off and everything, but it sure does make this month drag by.

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