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How is Alexander Mogilny not in the HOF?

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07-29-2014, 12:32 PM
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How is Alexander Mogilny not in the HOF?

Maybe not a for sure first-ballot HOF-er, but he's been eligible for five years now and he's still not in.

473g, 1032 points in 990 NHL games, 1.04 career PPG, Rocket Richard (shared), Lady Byng, Stanley Cup, Olympic Gold, World Championship Gold, World Junior Gold, six-time All-Star...

I can certainly think of less-qualified guys already in.

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07-29-2014, 12:37 PM
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His talent should be in, but not his body of work. Too many meh-seasons, too few great seasons. Too many issues I guess with defection, fear of flying, injuries, compete level, whatever...

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His talent should be in, but not his body of work. Too many meh-seasons, too few great seasons. Too many issues I guess with defection, fear of flying, injuries, compete level, whatever...
I just think if you let guys like Bernie Federko and Clarke Gillies in, then Mogilny should get in on stats alone.

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If there was a Hall of Fame based on pure talent Mogilny would be amongst its first inductees. Just a supremely gifted hockey player.

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I just think if you let guys like Bernie Federko and Clarke Gillies in, then Mogilny should get in on stats alone.
I don't like the argument of "if X got in, then Y should get in." Just because the HOF has made mistakes in the past in inducting players, doesn't mean they should base future decisions on those mistakes. Also, it hasn't always been the same people voting players into the HOF.

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I just think if you let guys like Bernie Federko and Clarke Gillies in, then Mogilny should get in on stats alone.
If we compare everyone against Gillies than we're going to be letting everybody in. Best not to compare against the weakest of inductions. I also don't think his case is any better than Federko's.

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I just think if you let guys like Bernie Federko and Clarke Gillies in, then Mogilny should get in on stats alone.
Hey I'm a fan, but stats only isn't a good argument. A lot of players can play the stats card. Being better than Gillies also isn't a good argument, because too many players are. Gillies is basically Willi Plett on a HHOF line, and being better than Willi Plett, yeah...

Mogilny seemed to be too much aloof. If he hustled as much as Bure he probably would have gotten the same kind of results, and a HHOF plate.

If he only had eyes like these in most seasons... it's from the 9293 season.


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07-29-2014, 01:34 PM
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Took a lot of seasons off or at half speed.

Later on he seemed to up his effort some but by then he had that hip(?) issue which then legitimately slowed him down.

HOF level talent for sure though. When he was on he was great.

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07-29-2014, 02:23 PM
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on talent alone, the best russian winger, post-'89. or 1a with ovechkin at the very worst.

results-wise, behind ovechkin, bure, and probably kovalchuk. and the HHOF cut off line should be north of kovalchuk, unless he has been doing wonderful things in the KHL that i don't know about.

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on talent alone, the best russian winger, post-'89. or 1a with ovechkin at the very worst.

results-wise, behind ovechkin, bure, and probably kovalchuk. and the HHOF cut off line should be north of kovalchuk, unless he has been doing wonderful things in the KHL that i don't know about.
Results-wise, he's definitely behind Kovalchuk

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07-29-2014, 02:46 PM
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Hey I'm a fan, but stats only isn't a good argument.
When you're arguing should, sure. But the fact is, the Hall of Fame selection committee loves them some scoring stats.

So, will Mogilny be in the Hall of Fame? Most likely, though he may have to wait a while longer.

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When you're arguing should, sure. But the fact is, the Hall of Fame selection committee loves them some scoring stats.

So, will Mogilny be in the Hall of Fame? Most likely, though he may have to wait a while longer.
I think eventually the Committee will realize that scoring just dropped in the mid 90s and isn't coming back, so they can't just compare raw totals between the 2 eras. I think this will come when more of the group of players who came of age in the late 90s/early 00s retire. Guys like Hossa, Alfredsson, Elias

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By God, I hope he doesn't get in before Makarov. In fact, I don't think he belongs there at all. Too many "I don't give a ****" seasons.

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By God, I hope he doesn't get in before Makarov.
Larionov is on the selection committee. One would think Makarov would therefore have a proponent.

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Mogilny
Kariya
Roenick
Fleury
Lindros


They all need to be in the HOF.

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It's real simple...The real reason Mogilny is not in the Hall of Fame is he did not get enought votes.

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Results-wise, he's definitely behind Kovalchuk
As a Devils fan, you saw them both (though not for long).

How do you compare them from what you saw?

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Mogilny on one-year, incentive-based contracts for his career is already in the HHOF...

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Hall of fame talent, but not a hall of fame career.

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Results-wise, he's definitely behind Kovalchuk
but still decisively above any other post-'89 russian right?

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He's got my vote. The guy was a ridiculous player.

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It's just me but I think Bure was more talented and a better player. Mogilny though is the 3rd best Russian winger post 1989 (Bure and Ovechkin being 1 and 2).

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Why isn't Turgeon in?
How about Housley?

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It's just me but I think Bure was more talented and a better player. Mogilny though is the 3rd best Russian winger post 1989 (Bure and Ovechkin being 1 and 2).
I think most would agree Bure was better. I think Fedorov should place higher than Mogilny though, as well as Malkin, Datysuk, and Kovalchuk.

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I think most would agree Bure was better. I think Fedorov should place higher than Mogilny though, as well as Malkin, Datysuk, and Kovalchuk.
I think talent wise, the best Russian players (post 89') are Federov, Bure, Mogilny, Malkin, Datsyuk and Ovechkin although Kovalev (at his best) would have given them all a run for their money.

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