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Spaling looking for 2.85m

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07-30-2014, 08:59 AM
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Spaling looking for 2.85m

@THNKenCampbell: Nick Spaling has asked for $2.85 million in arbitration and the Penguins are offering $1.65 million on a one-year award.


I'm not 100% sure how much room the penguins have left. Is this going to cause a problem or is this what was expected?

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Serves them right. Why the **** is MAF still there? I thought moving him to somewhere like Calgary or Winnipeg would have been one of the first moves made this offseason.

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He's looking for almost 3 million, let that sink in for a minute ... Nick Spaling

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They will likely settle somewhere in the middle. Pens don't have a ton of space to work with. Spaling at 2.5 and Sutter at 3.5 makes things very tight. They can survive with Maatta on LTIR, but when he comes back, a move will have to be made.

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He's looking for almost 3 million, let that sink in for a minute ... Nick Spaling
That's how arbitrations work. Player asks for more than he is worth , teams lowballs back and they meet somewhere in the middle at the end.

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That's how arbitrations work. Player asks for more than he is worth , teams lowballs back and they meet somewhere in the middle at the end.
Yup. The middle is 2.25 which is still a tad on the high side of what Pen's fans want, but it's reasonable.

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Looking for, not getting.

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07-30-2014, 09:25 AM
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I'm glad the Pred's traded him. Spaling is a very useful player for any team, but he isn't worth $2.85 million. He will probably come in around $2 million, which is fine for the versatility that he brings.

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I'm glad the Pred's traded him. Spaling is a very useful player for any team, but he isn't worth $2.85 million. He will probably come in around $2 million, which is fine for the versatility that he brings.
Let me unpack this. You are glad the Preds traded him because he isn't worth 2.85 million but you don't actually think he will get that much money. Rather, he will get around 2 million which is fair. Hmm...

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They'll probably settle on a 1 year, $2.25 million deal.

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Hopefully JR doesn't overpay.

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He's a 3rd line player. That's not the right amount of money.

He's an upgraded version of Tanner at 1.1.

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They can walk away though? I think anything in the 2's wouldn't work for me as a Pens fan.

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They can walk away though? I think anything in the 2's wouldn't work for me as a Pens fan.
Teams can only walk away if the player is awarded $3.5M or higher.

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Serves them right. Why the **** is MAF still there? I thought moving him to somewhere like Calgary or Winnipeg would have been one of the first moves made this offseason.
He's got a no trade clause. He's not going to waive it to go to a team like Calgary or Winnipeg.

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One of the reasons so many arbitration cases settle is that the arbitrator is not going to be some hockey expert who can look at film and determine the nuances behind what the player brings to the table and what a player's role might be. The teams and the players will offer up comparables with basic stats like points playing a big role in this. The decision will be based on who the arbitrator feels presents the best comparable.

An obvious problem for the Pens is that over the last three years Spaling is statistically close to Sutter who the Pens paid $2.7M to last year. He would certainly be on my list of comparable if I was advising him. And Sutter, who is basically the same age as Spaling, is loking for a raise. It would not surprise me at all if the result comes out much closer to Spalings number.

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He's a 3rd line player. That's not the right amount of money.

He's an upgraded version of Tanner at 1.1.
If by upgraded you mean a lot better and worth about near a million more then yes.

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Serves them right. Why the **** is MAF still there? I thought moving him to somewhere like Calgary or Winnipeg would have been one of the first moves made this offseason.
JR loves Fluery. Fluery is in a contract year anyway. Who would we have got Miller? Hiller? Both past there primes and more then MAF. Why do you say serves them right? You have some pent up emotions.
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They will likely settle somewhere in the middle. Pens don't have a ton of space to work with. Spaling at 2.5 and Sutter at 3.5 makes things very tight. They can survive with Maatta on LTIR, but when he comes back, a move will have to be made.
Spaling at 2.25 and Sutter 3.25 would correct that, no?
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Yup. The middle is 2.25 which is still a tad on the high side of what Pen's fans want, but it's reasonable.
This.

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1.65 seems slightly overly generous.

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considering what kane and toews got, this is a good deal

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One of the reasons so many arbitration cases settle is that the arbitrator is not going to be some hockey expert who can look at film and determine the nuances behind what the player brings to the table and what a player's role might be. The teams and the players will offer up comparables with basic stats like points playing a big role in this. The decision will be based on who the arbitrator feels presents the best comparable.

An obvious problem for the Pens is that over the last three years Spaling is statistically close to Sutter who the Pens paid $2.7M to last year. He would certainly be on my list of comparable if I was advising him. And Sutter, who is basically the same age as Spaling, is loking for a raise. It would not surprise me at all if the result comes out much closer to Spalings number.
Meh these guys may not be hockey experts but they aren't idiots. Sutter had a 40 point season as a 21 year old and has been a consistent 30+ point scorer with the exception of last season when he played with AHLers all year. Spaling has had one 30 point season. If it gets to arbitration, the award is going to be given on a track record, not one season.

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That's how arbitrations work. Player asks for more than he is worth , teams lowballs back and they meet somewhere in the middle at the end.
That's how negotiation works. Not arbitration. At least not in the context of NHL arbitration. The arbitrator chooses one or the other.

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Meh...He'll sign a 2 year/$2 mil deal soon.

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That's how negotiation works. Not arbitration. At least not in the context of NHL arbitration. The arbitrator chooses one or the other.
Let's nitpick some more.
If the team and the player don't meet in the middle somewhere the arbitrator doesn't choose one or the other , but usually something in between and it can't be less than 85 per-cent of his previous year's salary.
So the end result is usually something beween the offer and demand.

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Let me unpack this. You are glad the Preds traded him because he isn't worth 2.85 million but you don't actually think he will get that much money. Rather, he will get around 2 million which is fair. Hmm...
I kind of strung two thoughts together in one post.

I'm glad that they traded him because he was redundant, and the Preds don't need another arbitration headache. Plus, the trade return was fantastic.

I do think that he is a good player and will probably get about $2 million. While that is probably fair, I'm glad that the Preds aren't paying him that due to his redundancy on their roster.

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