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08-09-2014, 02:24 PM
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5 questions Jets need to answer

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=728036

1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?

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1. I think so
2. Trade at deadline
3. Probably not
4. Probably not
5. 1,000,000:1 shot doc... 1,000,000:1

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
1. Yes he will and the team will improve
2. They will hold onto him like they do everyone else and lose him in free agency
3. They will have a rollercoaster of some luck and some disappointment
4. No, they will stay about the same maybe a slight improvement
5. No, he will be rotten, get benched and Hutchinson will do well, have a bad string of games nad Pavelec will be back in net.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
1 Yes I believe he but how will that translate to points, wins and results is anyone's guess. I'm guessing his influence will have a small positive effect on most players.....but not all.
2 Guessing he will be signed partway through the season.
3 B/c of the Paul effect on them I think they will be a bit better at those types of games but they still will happen like all teams.
4 They end in 6-7 position with a losing record within their division.
5 Really? Of course not, I'm not sure if he could be a KHL goalie anymore.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
1. I think so.

2. Hold on to him and lose him in FA.

3. Doubt it. A lot of that stems from Pavs IMO.

4. Have not seen anything to convince me that they can. Only semi convincing argument is advancement by #55 and #8 and a bounce back form #9 and #44. Looking around though Benn, Seguin, Nicushkin, Eakin, etc. all young all have just as good a chance to become better. Same goes for MacKinnon, Duchene, Johnson, ROR, Landeskog, etc. and Schwartz, Tarasenko, etc. on an already awesome STL team. MIN has a roster full of young players with pedigree and potential + some already very good and established veterans. CHI is on another level and NSH while probably as talented us or a little less talented than us has an upper echelon G while we have a middle of the road back up as our starter.

5. Basically no chance but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=728036

1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
Will the Jets improve on and have a positive record at home?

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
1. I don't know what "impose his values" means. Will the Jets be in better shape this year? I think so. Will Maurice be a better coach for this group than Noel was? I think so but not by a wide margin.

2. I hope he is traded sooner rather than later but I expect him to be retained at the deadline because the Jets are close. The Jets will finish in 21st spot OA and draft 9th. Frolik will walk with no return to the Jets. Quite honestly, that is what I expect.

3. What the writer of that story used as examples were not letdown games. They were taking weak opponents for granted games. That applies to both the wins against good teams and the losses to bad teams.

4. Yes. They started terribly against the Central last year but improved later in the season. I think they will avoid the bad start this year and do a little better over all.

5. It is possible. It is better than a 1,000,000 : 1 shot but it isn't likely. What is likely is that he will get out of position and make what should have been routine saves look spectacular often enough to convince Chevy that he is an outstanding goalie. He will be anointed the starter again in June next year. If there is any order in the universe Chevy will be fired next day and interim GM Heisinger will buyout Pavelec the day after, but I fantasize.

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Will the Jets improve on and have a positive record at home?
Very good question. We have been pretty poor on home ice the past 2 seasons, after a very strong first season.

We're basically back at Atlanta level of home ice play, after so much talk about how the move was going to help that.

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Very good question. We have been pretty poor on home ice the past 2 seasons, after a very strong first season.

We're basically back at Atlanta level of home ice play, after so much talk about how the move was going to help that.
Yup. As near as I can determine the league average would be 45 points at home. The Jets got 42 so it wouldn't have made enough difference to get in the playoffs but it would have made it a lot closer.

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Very good question. We have been pretty poor on home ice the past 2 seasons, after a very strong first season.

We're basically back at Atlanta level of home ice play, after so much talk about how the move was going to help that.
For a team , this team , needing to make up , find , generate another 8 or 10 points , this would be a good area to make a dent imo . We should be able to get at least another 6 points from our home record imo .

Would be a priority for me personally.

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Paul Maurice as a head coach is a huge upgrade from Claude Noel, and I think his coaching style will resonate with this team.

Frolik should be flying out there if he is playing for a contract, maybe a breakout season

I think this team still needs to learn how to win...The winners are the guys Chevy is drafting...The AHL run will help several other players who are knocking at the door.

Central Division is tough, but we sure look like a fast team, on paper...A full year of Maurice's higher tempo practices, and a more aggressive strategy should pay dividends. I am definitely not among those looking for shiny new toys, like Reimer or Penner. Setoguchi was supposed to be a big addition last year, he was a bust...
Improved play from the players we have (Can Scheif hit the 70 point mark this year?), and a prospect pool that adds depth, gets us over the hump.

Pavelec is streaky...He looks brilliant at times, terrible at others...Tighter defensive strategy (I expect a lot of back pressure with our speed), and a little bit of confidence, maybe we can get Pavelec to the .915 mark...If not maybe it's Cam Ward time.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

Yes. Or so we hope.

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

Will be traded for a 2015 late pick. Or maybe even two.

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

[mod] Well maybe sometimes is the answer.

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

Like taking a spork to a Spaghetti earing contest.

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?

Is this really being asked again???

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Yup. As near as I can determine the league average would be 45 points at home. The Jets got 42 so it wouldn't have made enough difference to get in the playoffs but it would have made it a lot closer.
Dallas was 23-11-7 at home , Minnesota was 26-10-5 , Phoenix was 22-14-5 , we were 18-17-6.

Of course the Coyotes also missed the playoffs , but we shouldn't look at league averages , we should look at playoff teams , and ones close to that for a more accurate reflection of where we should be able to shrink the point gap needed to be a playoff team.

If we think we have any shot at the playoffs , the home record needs to be much stronger . We were plus one that in no way gets us close , we need to be roughly plus 8 or better I think to make a real push.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
1. Yes.
2. Resigned.
3. Maybe.
4. Maybe.
5. No.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?

1. Hopefully, they certainly tuned out Noel.

2. Traded at the trade deadline.

3. No.

4. No

5. Sigh.....no.

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I'm currently inclined to be quite negative in my outlook for the team, but some of that seems to be due to the depression I'm fighting. Still, things don't look that good this year. Chevy has taken to shopping at Value Village instead of Goodwill but the problem is that still gets you someone else's castoffs.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?
This says more about the players. Little, Ladd, and Wheeler sucked at the end of Noel's tenure. If they pull that with Maurice then they, not the coach, need to go.

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2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?
Add Ladd and Buff. If Frolik doesn't sign then that makes the Pavs decision look even worse.

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3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?
Stupid point. Only fools say "we need to be more consistent". I hate when I hear that. Inconsistency is what allows the mediocre to rise to the occasion once in a while and surprise everybody. It is much more intellgent to say "we need to be better".

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4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?
Valid point. They looked worse against Chicago than anybody.

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5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
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I'm currently inclined to be quite negative in my outlook for the team, but some of that seems to be due to the depression I'm fighting. Still, things don't look that good this year. Chevy has taken to shopping at Value Village instead of Goodwill but the problem is that still gets you someone else's castoffs.
Hang in there buddy, things will get better for the Jets and more importantly for yourself soon.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
1. Yes, but it could take a while.
2. He'll get traded to a wild card team.
3. Not till 2017 guaranteed.
4. Nope!
5. Doubt it, but I think he'll improve a little this season.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
1. It will be interesting to see how the players feel about the coach after the promised intense training camp.

2. I personally think Frolik will be extended during the season to a long (5 ish yr) term deal.

3. I wonder how much of this is on the team and how much is on the "randomness" of our goaltending.

4. I think it's possible. We could get a steady diet of backup tenders early in the season and teams might look past us to their next game vs Min/Chi/StL etc.

5. I think the real question to be asked. Will the Jets finally realize they can't win with Pavelec as the #1? And is Hutch capable of taking the reins?

I will go into this upcoming season optimistic. Something will have to give this year. Either this group makes some strides (playoffs) or it finally gets a major shakeup (trade) that in the short term enhances the "soft tank" and increases our odds in the draft lottery. I will intently watch the drama unfold. I am prepared for some kind of wild roller coaster ride.

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1. Can coach Paul Maurice impose his values on the Jets?

2. What will happen with versatile forward Michael Frolik?

3. Can the Jets avoid letdown games?

4. Can the Jets improve against the Central Division?

5. Can Ondrej Pavelec break his way out of the bottom echelon of NHL goaltenders?
1 I don't think he will have any effect I expect more of the same lather rinse repeat.

2 Unsure but 1 of 2 things trade at the deadline or overpay

3 No previous results suggest otherwise

4 Improvement here will have to come from others failure

5 No

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Jets make the playoffs and Pavelec will have 91.9% save percentage. You heard it first here

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Jets make the playoffs and Pavelec will have 91.9% save percentage. You heard it first here
In a way, I think that would be a bad outcome. I'd love to get some play off action, but I think that would be completely illusory success. It would guarantee Pavelec would be back another season as our starter and he'd almost surely go back to his norms.

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In a way, I think that would be a bad outcome. I'd love to get some play off action, but I think that would be completely illusory success. It would guarantee Pavelec would be back another season as our starter and he'd almost surely go back to his norms.
IMO it doesn't really matter what Pavs does he will be a Jet for 3 more seasons. They had a wide open window to deal with the situation and they opted to hold on to him. He is untradeable so they are stuck with him. At least if he has an above average season we get a year of NHL average goaltending. IMO Pavs will start until Hutch over takes him, and then Hutch will start with Pavs as backup until Hellybuck is ready to compete for a spot. I think the Jets are counting on Pavs final 3 years coinciding with Hellybuck's development and then he will be gone.

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I just can't believe that Pavelec will still be around if he has a normal "pavelecian" .905 season again. It's already pretty much un-explainable that he wasn't bought out...but if he doesn't pull off a miraculous turn-around this year and the Jets still don't dump him I think the response from the fan base will be pretty ugly.

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