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08-15-2014, 01:27 PM
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I'll take him back. I miss his abilities

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I would say the value we get by keeping him significantly outweighs what we would likely receive in a trade
100% agree.......IMO best value is if Maurice utilizes his talents and can coach him up......2nd best value is sign then play/trade.....last but not least strait trade of rights. "IF" Alex comes back I am pretty sure Maurice is a great fit for him as a coach. Good communicator who has coached in Russia. Alex will also be two years older and he will have gotten his KHL goal attained.

Fresh start and bringing a 1st round NHL level talent back into the fold is option #1 for me at least.

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I don't mind this one bit, there are spots avable that he can fill. His possession ability would fit well as a winger on either the second or third line. Hopefully he'll have developed a bit of a scoring touch since then.

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100% agree.......IMO best value is if Maurice utilizes his talents and can coach him up......2nd best value is sign then play/trade.....last but not least strait trade of rights. "IF" Alex comes back I am pretty sure Maurice is a great fit for him as a coach. Good communicator who has coached in Russia. Alex will also be two years older and he will have gotten his KHL goal attained.

Fresh start and bringing a 1st round NHL level talent back into the fold is option #1 for me at least.
Consider also the influx of forward talent we'd have next year

Add:
Burmistrov
Ehlers
Barzal/Konecny (it could happen)

Subtract:
Slater
Peluso
Halischuk

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consider also the influx of forward talent we'd have next year

add:
Burmistrov
ehlers
barzal/konecny (it could happen)

subtract:
Slater
peluso
halischuk
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What's the ceiling? Where's the floor - and have we seen either from young Burmistrov? Big question is, has he learned a more complete game?

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Let's just play what-ifs for a moment:

Ladd-Little-Wheeler
Kane-Scheifele-Burmistrov
Ehelers-Perreault-Frolik
(insert half-decent 4th line)
(insert a few decent 13/14th forwards)

Enstrom-Trouba
Morrissey-Byfuglien
Clit/Stu-Bogosian
Clit/Stu-Postma

Hutch
Not-Pavelec

Note: not really afraid of putting Bogo on third pair due to injuries and special teams, he'll get enough TOI.




C depth doesn't mean playing on 4th line. Lots of teams have large C depth by having C playing in top 9 wing positions.

Makes it flexible for injuries.
In my dreams where we are approaching contender status, I always envisioned Little as the Joe Pavelski type on our team. The 3C that can bump up at C or RW when injuries hit. That gets to dominate on the 3rd line.

If Burmi could ever do the heavy lifting at 2C, or if we ever got a 1C type through the draft, it could work. Especially because if the way Maurice balances lines.

Kane-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ladd-Burmistrov-Frolik
Ehlers-Little-Byfuglien
Perreault-Lowry-Lipon

I'd be okay with Buff at forward or defense, as long as we don't lose him.

Throw a good 1C prospect if we have a ****** year, and we have ourselves a team with a great mix of experienced youth and not-too-old vets.

If we don't draft too high, we're at least well on our way to being a Minnesota/St Louis type team if we made the playoffs with this year's roster on internal improvements alone.

Having Burmi back would be so clutch.

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What's the ceiling? Where's the floor - and have we seen either from young Burmistrov? Big question is, has he learned a more complete game?
Floor is a defensive specialist 3C that scores 25 pts. I'd say his ceiling is a 40 pt C or 45 pt W if he got PP time (which I doubt)

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Let's just play what-ifs for a moment:

Ladd-Little-Wheeler
Kane-Scheifele-Burmistrov
Ehelers-Perreault-Frolik
(insert half-decent 4th line)
(insert a few decent 13/14th forwards)

Enstrom-Trouba
Morrissey-Byfuglien
Clit/Stu-Bogosian
Clit/Stu-Postma

Hutch
Not-Pavelec

Note: not really afraid of putting Bogo on third pair due to injuries and special teams, he'll get enough TOI.




C depth doesn't mean playing on 4th line. Lots of teams have large C depth by having C playing in top 9 wing positions.

Makes it flexible for injuries.
That is a very good looking lineup.

Also 12 months from now we could actually fill a real 4th line out of Galiardi*, Lowry, Lipon, O'Dell, Slater, etc etc.

Edit: its funny I had not seen your post and was just about to post my own lineup and in goal I had Hutch and "not Pavelec"

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From the Frolik thread, a couple of weeks ago:



Best case scenario is we sign both to long term, fair contracts. But we could have any permutation of one, both, none and good assets in trade for either or both.
Best case scenario is indeed to sign both . That would provide the best on ice assets at least immediately and for the near future imo . I think the chance Burmistrov is a Jet is higher than Frolik this time next year but ideally I hope for both.

Being patient is hard , but if indeed we do retain both players next year shapes up as having more than enough options for our top 9 and interesting quality players to fill the forward roster out .

My take is that Burmistrov is declaring he WANTS to be in the NHL next year , and that dollars will not be the determining factor of where he plays IE not needing Winnipeg ( or any NHL team ) to match or be close to KHL dollars. As recently as the draft Kevin Cheveldayoff reiterated that Burmistrov is an asset , not written off , not out of future plans.

Signing both offers a LOT of line flexibility , a lot of options will be there but let's just look at the forwards in a few line variations. I think next year there is a very real chance Ehlers will be ready to play , not a given but not a long shot imo . You have the option to pair him with a couple of vets like Ladd and Little , that could be a very good spot to break in imo . If you want to have him be less prominent or featured a bit less you keep LLF together , have Kane with Scheifele and Wheeler ( if they click that is pure dynamite imo ) then for the third line you have Burmistrov on wing with Perreault and either with Ehlers for a fast ,quick trio that could be very challenging to play against. If you feel that line needs some size and weight you have Byfuglien to slot in .

That's 10 players for 9 slots , which allows either moving Buff back to D , or having a excess of solid top 10 forwards that allows you to make a trade from a position of strength.

Burmistrov provides flexibility in that he can play C or either W of course , can fit on a couple of different lines and in any combination he'll be with quality linemates. If by chance Ehlers isn't ready or you feel he develops better not in the NHL ( I don't think so ) then you still have 9 very good forwards to roll.

Burmistrov and the Jets may benefit from this KHL episode , refreshed , remotivated , better focused , more mature , new coach , better surrounding players , I like the patience that was shown , no knee jerk reactions , no "Ill show you " , not caving to unrealistic demands by players . Interested to see how his season unfolds and if he shows improvement.

Burmistrov and Frolik would really really set the Jets up for next year , you then have players like Lowry , Lipon , Kosmachuk , Klingebrg with yet another pro year of development ( one for Koz of course ) . Copp could be an option as well , plus you have the remaining pieces that could be factors as well.

For those of us that have taken the long term approach , the being patient and not rushing , this is how I know I have looked at next year . Pointed to that time in the build time line , and liked seeing what was ahead. Burmistrov would allow a lot of options , more cards for the Jets , and if Frolik proves to be problematic to resign , he could be the replacement and still allow us to get substantial ( hopefully ) assets for a really really good player like Frolik . Like I said though , both would be pretty much what would be ideal , it would change a lot , and change it in a very very positive way.

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#5yearplan

Maybe Chevy purposefully had Burmi leave for two years and hitched he wagon to Pavelec to increase suckitude, stockpile good picks (right now 2 forwards, 2 defence, maybe add a RW next year for a whole first line/D pairing of Jets first rounders?) and then have Burmi come back, use a competent starter, and vastly improved depth, in hopes for a playoff run in 2015-16.

That's why Ladd only signed until 2016. He wanted to make sure that the plan would work before buying in longer term!



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Consider also the influx of forward talent we'd have next year

Add:
Burmistrov
Ehlers
Barzal/Konecny (it could happen)

Subtract:
Slater
Peluso
Halischuk
Best player available of course , but a top tier D would be hard to turn away .

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Best player available of course , but a top tier D would be hard to turn away .
Only top D I know of next year is Hanifin, and he's likely 3rd OA. If all goes poorly (well) we could be picking 4/5, but I think 3 is a stretch. Maybe Kylington improves though?

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I only watched the start of the season. I'm not a huge KHL fan like some.

I heard though post Olympics his team was in shambles and played pretty horribly. I noticed his pts/gp dipped severely at that same time.3

Ak-Barz fans worshiped him.
Comments about his season were pretty much this , he had a good first part and not very good second part. There was the talk about the state of his team , but his play in the Worlds mirrored what had been happening the last half of the year.

He will be interesting to observe this season , another year older , hopefully developed on ice and off , and also hopefully we will see a more rounded game , more consistent and productive as well.

One thing I would hope he will be doing is working on his language skills . He doesn't need to be perfect but it was an issue when he was here and being able to have more interaction with his teamates will be helpful imo .

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Only top D I know of next year is Hanifin, and he's likely 3rd OA. If all goes poorly (well) we could be picking 4/5, but I think 3 is a stretch. Maybe Kylington improves though?
All depends where we pick of course , and also things are fluid , but there are a couple D men that could be top 10-12 picks . Kylington , Anderson , Werenski can be in the mix , certainly Kylington is .

Forward depth is very good though , BPA

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All depends where we pick of course , and also things are fluid , but there are a couple D men that could be top 10-12 picks . Kylington , Anderson , Werenski can be in the mix , certainly Kylington is .

Forward depth is very good though , BPA
The Jets have certainly made a point to at least say that they take the player they thought was BPA. I don't think that trend ends.

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Only top D I know of next year is Hanifin, and he's likely 3rd OA. If all goes poorly (well) we could be picking 4/5, but I think 3 is a stretch. Maybe Kylington improves though?
As I understand it, Kylington can potentially go top 5.

Now, personally, I wouldn't draft him that high. Why?



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This maybe sheds some light on the Frolik deal.

Frolik/Walsh, viewing the Jets as desperate to ice a solid top-9, asked for the big bucks.

Chevy knew/hoped that Burmistrov would return, and once he could depend on that, he'd have more ammunition in the trade negotiations. "Don't want to play as a Jet? Fine, Burmistrov will be happy to take your ice time."

In which case, maybe the 1 year deal was the best of all options. Don't sign an overpriced long-term deal. Don't lose Fro completely. Bide your time until you have the upper- (or at least less of a lower-) hand.

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The Jets have certainly made a point to at least say that they take the player they thought was BPA. I don't think that trend ends.
No arguments from me regarding that , sure that trend continues. Regardless of where we pick we'll get a good to very good player imo .

Just pointing out there are a couple D prospects that could be in the mix and if a couple of the forwards develop Hanafin could drop a couple spots . Of course I don't think we pick in the top 5 though.

Not surprised by the Burmistrov news at all , it is something to follow and look forward to this year. Adding a couple forwards like him and Ehlers next year really deepens the talent and creates a lot of options as I said , very positive ones.

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If Burmi plays in the NHL next year, Frolik or Burmi are trade-able commodities, probably at trade deadline time. Ehlers, Kosmachuk, Lowry and Lipon will possibly/probably be ready for the show. There is a reason for all those one year contracts. Next year is starting to shape up in a big way. Chevy's logic is starting to reveal itself.

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There's also the chance that things just fall a particular way...

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The guys playing with one year contracts really have to prove themselves this year if they are to be part of Winnipeg's plans in the NHL.

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There's also the chance that things just fall a particular way...
or that . . .

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There's also the chance that things just fall a particular way...
the best part about sticking to a plan you haven't discussed is when things go you're way you can take complete credit for it!

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There's also the chance that things just fall a particular way...
You know what Branch Rickey said .

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