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08-17-2014, 06:11 PM
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6mil is too much for a complementary player such as Eberle.

Big IF for RNH breaking out or simply just breaking physically.
uhh how is eberle only a ''complementary'' player?

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When a ppg + player is making 6m, or 2-3M less then players hes better than, its a massive bargain. Halls deal is nothing short of one of the best in the NHL.

Hemsky just signed a similar deal in Dallas too.



Lupul makes 5.5, Statsny makes 7m. Sure these guys signed UFA contracts, but 1st liners are making 5.5M now at a minimum.

Hall had the same surgery as RNH, boy Hall really broke down. Couldnt even get 90 points
Taylor hall seems like a bargain now based on the salaries around him. (And he's prob one of the best W in the league). But his deal looks great based on others out scoring him in previous years and using him as a base. Which inflates prices.

Lupul is junk. Stastny is a C and overpaid.

Hall and RNH aren't the same person. Just because one guy bounces back from surgery doesn't mean the other will. Especially when one is built like a 14yr old.

As for Schultz, they'd be crazy to pay him more than 3.5.

So I'm expecting 5.

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6mil is too much for a complementary player such as Eberle.

Big IF for RNH breaking out or simply just breaking physically.
Eberle's best season was with Hall and RNH injured for a good part of it..

He is a complimentary player, but he is one of the best complimentary players in the league.

And as for the Oilers driving up prices..

Which team gave Luongo a massive contract..someone please remind me.

July 1st 2012, Jordan Staal signs a six year 60 mil contract worth 6mil a year.

August 7th, 2012..Carolina signs Jeff Skinner to a 34.4 mil contract worth 5.725 mil a year.

August 21st, Taylor Hall signs his contract, August 30th Eberle signs his.

Neither have NTCs.. in fact the Oilers only have one guy with a NTC. As opposed to Vancouver with 10.

Maybe do some research before you start spouting out made up facts.

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Eberle's best season was with Hall and RNH injured for a good part of it..

He is a complimentary player, but he is one of the best complimentary players in the league.

And as for the Oilers driving up prices..

Which team gave Luongo a massive contract..someone please remind me.

July 1st 2012, Jordan Staal signs a six year 60 mil contract worth 6mil a year.

August 7th, 2012..Carolina signs Jeff Skinner to a 34.4 mil contract worth 5.725 mil a year.

August 21st, Taylor Hall signs his contract, August 30th Eberle signs his.

Neither have NTCs.. in fact the Oilers only have one guy with a NTC. As opposed to Vancouver with 10.

Maybe do some research before you start spouting out made up facts.
What does this thread have to do with Vancouver ?

Neither can have NTCs btw. Perhaps take some of that research advice you're dishing out son

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6mil is too much for a complementary player such as Eberle.

Big IF for RNH breaking out or simply just breaking physically.
Soo true. I'd take Daniel Sedin @ 7mils over the Ebs anyday,especially when you consider output over the last 5 years.

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Soo true. I'd take Daniel Sedin @ 7mils over the Ebs anyday,especially when you consider output over the last 5 years.
Yeah.. those 47 points, boy that screams 7 m.

Over the past 3 seasons:

Eberle: 178 points in 206 games .86 ppg
Sedin: 148 points in 192 games .76 ppg

About that output.. Not to mention Sedin is 33 and has gone downshill since the concussion

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My bet is he goes to Russia. Apparently that's where young PMDs go nowadays, when they have an established spot on an NHL team.


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Yeah.. those 47 points, boy that screams 7 m.

Over the past 3 seasons:

Eberle: 178 points in 206 games .86 ppg
Sedin: 148 points in 192 games .76 ppg

About that output.. Not to mention Sedin is 33 and has gone downshill since the concussion
I'd much rather have Sedin, and I don't even care for him, or even respect that bum.

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Taylor hall seems like a bargain now based on the salaries around him. (And he's prob one of the best W in the league). But his deal looks great based on others out scoring him in previous years and using him as a base. Which inflates prices.

Lupul is junk. Stastny is a C and overpaid.

Hall and RNH aren't the same person. Just because one guy bounces back from surgery doesn't mean the other will. Especially when one is built like a 14yr old.

As for Schultz, they'd be crazy to pay him more than 3.5.

So I'm expecting 5.
Hall's contract inflated the market? That makes no sense.
RFA's were getting highly paid before Hall's deal (Myers for example, if you really want to look at a market inflating contract).

These contracts were given with the idea that the cap will rise and the players will continue to improve. Now if you look at the market, Hall is underpaid, Eberle is pretty much market value and RNH hasn't even entered the first year of his 2nd contract so he remains to be seen. Chances are that his contract will be market value or even look like a bargain if he becomes a 70 point, solid defensive center which is a realistic projection the next few seasons.

As for Schultz, $3.5 mil long term simply isn't realistic. Defensemen who put up points generally get paid as such regardless of defensive defencies. He runs the #1PP unit, plays big minutes for the Oilers and has plenty of room for growth (he has only played 1.5 seasons) so there's no way that he gets paid less than $4M long term and in fact, 4.5M might be a little low. I think the Gardiner contract is a fair comparable but he has scored at a better rate than Gardiner thus far in their careers so chances are that he's going to get paid more.

I'd like to see his defensive game before committing to him long term although he did show some improvements towards the end of last season but if his defensive game does improve to go along with expected offensive improvement, he's going to get paid well north of $5M/yr on his next contract if they bridge him so it's a risk either way. He can also flop and become a PP specialist who is poor defensively but if they are identifying him as a important member of the defense going forward, they might as well pay him now.
I think 5 years 23 million would be a decent deal for both sides but I'm not sure if his camp will take that offer.

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I'd much rather have Sedin, and I don't even care for him, or even respect that bum.
Just the one huh? Shows how little you know about them

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Yeah.. those 47 points, boy that screams 7 m.

Over the past 3 seasons:

Eberle: 178 points in 206 games .86 ppg
Sedin: 148 points in 192 games .76 ppg

About that output.. Not to mention Sedin is 33 and has gone downshill since the concussion
Since u guys are obsessed with this.

In his Art Ross trophy winning session, he had 41 goals and 104 pts earning 6.1mil. I love how that season wasn't mentioned

Something Eberle will never achieve.

And Daniel has 5 pts in his last 3 playoff seasons. Eberle has 0.

And Daniels new contract is bad.

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I'd much rather have Sedin, and I don't even care for him, or even respect that bum.
You would take a regressing Daniel Sedin who is 34 years old over a 24 year old Eberle whose best days are still ahead of him and who might have already passed Sedin?
Ok. To each their own I suppose.

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Hall's contract inflated the market? That makes no sense.
RFA's were getting highly paid before Hall's deal (Myers for example, if you really want to look at a market inflating contract).

These contracts were given with the idea that the cap will rise and the players will continue to improve. Now if you look at the market, Hall is underpaid, Eberle is pretty much market value and RNH hasn't even entered the first year of his 2nd contract so he remains to be seen. Chances are that his contract will be market value or even look like a bargain if he becomes a 70 point, solid defensive center which is a realistic projection the next few seasons.

As for Schultz, $3.5 mil long term simply isn't realistic. Defensemen who put up points generally get paid as such regardless of defensive defencies. He runs the #1PP unit, plays big minutes for the Oilers and has plenty of room for growth (he has only played 1.5 seasons) so there's no way that he gets paid less than $4M long term and in fact, 4.5M might be a little low. I think the Gardiner contract is a fair comparable but he has scored at a better rate than Gardiner thus far in their careers so chances are that he's going to get paid more.

I'd like to see his defensive game before committing to him long term although he did show some improvements towards the end of last season but if his defensive game does improve to go along with expected offensive improvement, he's going to get paid well north of $5M/yr on his next contract if they bridge him so it's a risk either way. He can also flop and become a PP specialist who is poor defensively but if they are identifying him as a important member of the defense going forward, they might as well pay him now.
I think 5 years 23 million would be a decent deal for both sides but I'm not sure if his camp will take that offer.
I don't remember the timing or exact years they were signed, but at least two of the 3 extensions (rather than typical bridge deals) for RNH, Hall, and Eberle led to the Seguin extension that was also too soon when he should have received a bridge deal as well. Since then, it does seem like the inflation has kicked in a bit more severely.

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You would take a regressing Daniel Sedin who is 34 years old over a 24 year old Eberle whose best days are still ahead of him and who might have already passed Sedin?
Ok. To each their own I suppose.
Best days ahead of him is simply selling more "hope"

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You would take a regressing Daniel Sedin who is 34 years old over a 24 year old Eberle whose best days are still ahead of him and who might have already passed Sedin?
Ok. To each their own I suppose.
Yes. Sedin is still > Eberle. Either one. At least for the next few years, most likely, especially as a fan of a contending team trying to win now.

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I don't remember the timing or exact years they were signed, but at least two of the 3 extensions (rather than typical bridge deals) for RNH, Hall, and Eberle led to the Seguin extension that was also too soon when he should have received a bridge deal as well. Since then, it does seem like the inflation has kicked in a bit more severely.
Wow, the Oilers have alot of power. Its almost like some GMs knew a bridge deal was stupid and rather locked up top talent for a discount.

I really bet Jim Nill is hating on the Oilers for allowing him to lock up a ppg elite center for $5.75, he probaly wished Seguin got bridged by Boston so he could sign him for 7.5 - 8 million

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You would take a regressing Daniel Sedin who is 34 years old over a 24 year old Eberle whose best days are still ahead of him and who might have already passed Sedin?
Ok. To each their own I suppose.
How do you know Eberle's best days are still ahead of him? He's only had the one good season and his play isn't improving...in fact it's been getting worse. It could well be we've already seen the best of Jordan Eberle.

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Best days ahead of him is simply selling more "hope"
He's 24 years old, do you think that his best days are behind him?

I'd say that there's a better chance that a 24 year old Eberle who scored 65 points last season will outperform his contract compared to a 24 year old Sedin who scored 47 points last season.

I don't have much hope for the team going forward as evidenced by my avatar and signature, but I do know that I'm more comfortable with Eberle on my team at $6M for the next 5 seasons than I would be with Sedin at $7M for the next 4 seasons.

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How do you know Eberle's best days are still ahead of him? He's only had the one good season and his play isn't improving...in fact it's been getting worse. It could well be we've already seen the best of Jordan Eberle.
LOL, his down season was 65 points. Eberle is still the same player who scored 34 goals and 76 points in his 2nd season. It's not like his talent is all of a sudden going to disappear at the ripe old age of 24.
Gotta love HF where a player is over the hill at 24. Jeez

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Since u guys are obsessed with this.

In his Art Ross trophy winning session, he had 41 goals and 104 pts earning 6.1mil. I love how that season wasn't mentioned

Something Eberle will never achieve.

And Daniel has 5 pts in his last 3 playoff seasons. Eberle has 0.

And Daniels new contract is bad.
Jagr has a 123 point 54 point season. So he is > Mackinnon and Im guessing youd rather take him?

Or can you focus on actually recent play, not the glory days of the Sedins that happened a while ago. Sure Eberle will never get 104 points, but Sedin will likely not crack 60 again, and is making 7 million. If your talking about previous seasons justifying a contract, Eberles near ppg season justifies 6m, when people signing 6m contracts havent come close.

Sedin also has 1 win in his last 2 playoffs combined

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Since u guys are obsessed with this.

In his Art Ross trophy winning session, he had 41 goals and 104 pts earning 6.1mil. I love how that season wasn't mentioned

Something Eberle will never achieve.

And Daniel has 5 pts in his last 3 playoff seasons. Eberle has 0.

And Daniels new contract is bad.
Kessel's never scored 40 and he's >>>>>> than Daniel, so I wouldn't go by career highs when evaluating a player.

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How do you know Eberle's best days are still ahead of him? He's only had the one good season and his play isn't improving...in fact it's been getting worse. It could well be we've already seen the best of Jordan Eberle.
Holy crap, players best days ahead of them are 24 years old. Youve read it here folks. Sometimes jokes write themselves

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Kessel's never scored 40 and he's >>>>>> than Daniel, so I wouldn't go by career highs when evaluating a player.
No hes not, Kessel has never scored 104 points in a season that happened before th invent of the internet, Sedin is still a 104 point player. His last 3 seasons never happened

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I don't remember the timing or exact years they were signed, but at least two of the 3 extensions (rather than typical bridge deals) for RNH, Hall, and Eberle led to the Seguin extension that was also too soon when he should have received a bridge deal as well. Since then, it does seem like the inflation has kicked in a bit more severely.
The Myers contract was the first one that inflated the RFA market then the Tavares contract was signed.
The Tavares, Seguin and Hall look like bargains now, the Eberle contract looks like fair market value, the Myers contract doesn't look so great now but could pay off since he still has tons of ability and the RNH contract hasn't even kicked in so I don't see how you can say that the Hall contract inflated the market.
It's the UFA market that is grossly inflated.

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