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I'll propose a couple of trade proposals. Go ahead and tell me what you think, but beware that I don't respond well to flaming. :mad:
Trade #1
To Detroit:
Mike Comrie (C)
To Edmonton:
Henrik Zetterberg (LW/C)
Mathieu Dandenault (D)
Reasoning: The Oilers get a very nice (but at the same time fair) return for the services of Mike Comrie who is by all means a very talented young player who could one day be the Wings #1 center. Both Zetterberg and Dandenault are young (22 and 27, respectively) with good speed and skills at a relatively cheap price. Dandenault would help shore up the Oilers' defensive depth and with the deep defense in Detroit, is quite moveable. Zetterberg is a painful loss for the Wings, but they need a center like Comrie more than a winger like Zetterberg. And they're roughly the same age.
Trade #2
to New Jersey:
Alexei Zhamnov (C)
conditional pick (if Jersey doesn't resign him)
to Chicago:
Mike Rupp (C)
David Hale (D)
conditional pick (if Jersey resigns him)
Reasoning: This is kind of meant as a trade deadline deal, but whatever. Zhamnov will be a UFA next summer (I believe), and judging by Chicago's youth movement in place and also their history of letting their high-priced players leave town as free agents, they'd be wise to try and package him to a team like New Jersey who needs a #1 center. The package that the 'Hawks get in return ain't bad either. Rupp is big and skilled, and could maybe develop into a power forward. Hale is a big physical defenseman with good puck-moving skills. Perhaps the nicest thing about this deal from a Chicago perspective is the toughness, grit and size it would add to their rather dainty lineup. Zhamnov is a pretty talented player and could help the Devils offensively for sure.
Trade #3
to Ottawa:
Alexander Frolov (LW)
to Los Angeles:
Martin Havlat (RW)
Reasoning: The Senators resolve a contract dispute that seems to have reached a halt. And they get a left winger, something that they need. The Kings get themselves another top flight winger along with Ziggy Palffy, and now can make two solid lines with the likes of Deadmarsh, Robitaille, Stumpel, Allison, Palffy and Havlat. This one will be controversial, I know.
Trade #4
to Ottawa:
Martin Straka (LW/C)
to Pittsburgh:
Peter Schaefer (LW)
Brian Pothier (D)
draft pick
Reasoning: Schaefer is a young player with some unexplored offensive potential who proved to be a reliable checking line player with the Senators. He could be a second line player on the weak Pittsburgh team. Pothier is a young player with some upside. He could crack a weak D in PenLand. Straka would give the Sens some depth on the left side, a slight weakness. I guess this would be a fall-back plan if the Sens couldn't get a deal done for Frolov.
To Edmonton:
Henrik Zetterberg (LW/C)
Mathieu Dandenault (D)
Reasoning:Zetterberg is a painful loss for the Wings, but they need a center like Comrie more than a winger like Zetterberg. And they're roughly the same age.
to Pittsburgh:
Peter Schaefer (LW)
Brian Pothier (D)
draft pick
Reasoning: Schaefer is a young player with some unexplored offensive potential who proved to be a reliable checking line player with the Senators. He could be a second line player on the weak Pittsburgh team. Pothier is a young player with some upside. He could crack a weak D in PenLand. Straka would give the Sens some depth on the left side, a slight weakness. I guess this would be a fall-back plan if the Sens couldn't get a deal done for Frolov.
Watchya think?
ah, no. you want us to give up our second best player, well for nothing. we dont want a 26 year older winger who has the "potential" to score (we have one of those already) we have a bunch of d prospects, be they great or mediocre, making Pothier uneeded. and that pick, well, it better be a 2nd (but more likely a first) for this even to remotely be possible. but even so, i dont see why the pens would want any of those guys
No thanks. This is Zetterberg will be a center this year. Most likely between Shanahan and either Yzerman or Holmstrom. I like Comrie but Detroit is already trying to break in "the Shrimp" Hudler. You can only have so many small guys.
Chicago/New Jersey deal
Interesting. Although I were the Devils and wanted a center, I'd give Adam Oates a phone call. I think Hale may be giving up too much for Zhamnov.
Ottawa-LA deal
Not sure if I'd do it if I were either team. I like Havlat more right now but Frolov has only played one year. I don't see the Sens moving Havlat, but if they were it would be for a guy who's a playoff warrior. Like Ryan Smyth for example.
Ottawa-Pittsburgh deal
Plausible. If I were the Pens I'd ask for Schastlivy instead of Schaeffer.
Although I'm not sure why the Sens need Straka.
first one - no motivation for detroit, zetterberg has simliar skill, and some believe he's better now at what these two do, and will be better long term..
second one - good idea imo.. and very workable...
third one - only if contract talks stall... it is pretty interesting, la gets the better deal right off, and frolov still has to prove he's what he should be
fourth one - pittsburgh gets hosed IMHO.. they have plenty already of what they're getting... might as well just hang on to straka and have another *star* in the lineup
ah, no. you want us to give up our second best player, well for nothing. we dont want a 26 year older winger who has the "potential" to score (we have one of those already) we have a bunch of d prospects, be they great or mediocre, making Pothier uneeded. and that pick, well, it better be a 2nd (but more likely a first) for this even to remotely be possible. but even so, i dont see why the pens would want any of those guys
Once Straka, never again. Thanks for wanting to keep him.
No thanks. This is Zetterberg will be a center this year. Most likely between Shanahan and either Yzerman or Holmstrom. I like Comrie but Detroit is already trying to break in "the Shrimp" Hudler. You can only have so many small guys.
I wonder if I'm the only one that is getting sick and tired of hearing the size argument come up in every single trade proposal. So what if a player is 5'9" or 6'5", as long as they produce. Comrie has shown he can produce despite his size so it's a non issue. I'll gladly take a team of smaller players that can play and produce over a team full of big goofs that can't do anything. But they are more valuable because they have size. Please. Mike Comrie vs. Keith Primeau, who would you rather have? I take Comrie every day of the week.
A sure thing like Havlat won't be traded for Frolov.
Well, what do expect to get for Havlat? If they get multiple roster players where do you suppose they would play? I think Frolov would be a great fit in Ott.
Well, what do expect to get for Havlat? If they get multiple roster players where do you suppose they would play? I think Frolov would be a great fit in Ott.
One, I don't see the Sens trading Havlat anytime soon. If they did trade him though, I don't see it for a player like Frolov. Havlat is a young player with a very good rate of production, who will continue to improve. If they trade him, I see the Sens going after a slightly better forward, ideally on the left side (but not exclusively) but doesn't have the offensive ceiling that Havlat has.
Like I said though, I don't see the Sens looking at trading him anytime soon. The holdout would have to stretch until December at least before Ottawa gets worried.
I wonder if I'm the only one that is getting sick and tired of hearing the size argument come up in every single trade proposal. So what if a player is 5'9" or 6'5", as long as they produce. Comrie has shown he can produce despite his size so it's a non issue. I'll gladly take a team of smaller players that can play and produce over a team full of big goofs that can't do anything. But they are more valuable because they have size. Please. Mike Comrie vs. Keith Primeau, who would you rather have? I take Comrie every day of the week.
we've got a small roster @ center ... we don't need comrie, yes he has skill, but he's not what we need, plus look at salaries..... we don't want to add any more salary than what we have already, and comrie's looking for what? ...5 mil? .... why would we trade zetts who's making less than a mil right now and dande who's only around 1.5 mil .. a big no for detroit
Actually Kritty, given a choice between Primeau and Comrie (for Detroit), i'd take Primeau. Although I don't think Primeau would ever ever come back to Detroit.
If they do that trade they will have Comrie, Datsyuk, Draper and Hudler down the middle. When Draper is your biggest guy you know you are in trouble. The move is a lateral one for Detroit. Besides, Zetterberg has looked great at center. IF Detroit is going to get a center it's going to be one with size. Ken Holland said that himself.
Like I said Comrie is a really good player but not a good fit for Detroit.
How is this number getting around? Why are people saying he wants 5 million? Where did this come from? I don't get it!!
thought i remember reading it somewhere .... etiher way, point is zetterberg's coming into his sophmore year and he's doing quite well, on pace for 50+ points and makes less than a million .... if im thinking right comrie's lookin for at least 2 if not more....
I'll propose a couple of trade proposals. Go ahead and tell me what you think, but beware that I don't respond well to flaming. :mad: ?
A nice couple or a swinging foursome? Btw if you don't respond well to flaming perhaps consider not posting here - you play in the NHL you gotta take a hit from time to time. Nice format though - always good to provide reasoning.
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Originally Posted by Danrik
Trade #3
to Ottawa:
Alexander Frolov (LW)
to Los Angeles:
Martin Havlat (RW)
Reasoning: The Senators resolve a contract dispute that seems to have reached a halt. And they get a left winger, something that they need. The Kings get themselves another top flight winger along with Ziggy Palffy, and now can make two solid lines with the likes of Deadmarsh, Robitaille, Stumpel, Allison, Palffy and Havlat. This one will be controversial, I know.
A team cannot allow short-term contract disputes to change their long-term thinking - if the dispute goes long term, like Peca's did, then a team needs to consider options, not beforehand. Every year or two a team has a holdout, it's just part of NHL business.
Thinking long-term, possibly post-Alfie in Ottawa, this deal boils down to is Havlat > Frolov, Havlat = Forlov, or Havlat < Forlov, both long term, and for this year's Cup run. Since I believe Havlat > Frolov both for this year (assuming he signs in March or before), and long term, I'll keep Havlat. However this is a closer one than it looks. For example if the Sens were to re-sign UFA Alfie for another three years at the end of this season, this deal would look really feasible, to the point that I would do it - why keep Havlat as a #3 RW or #2/3 RW, especially since he is a #1 RW on many teams, and Frolov is a #1 LW with nice size, good skating, and top-line puck skills - that's a harder combination to find on LW than RW. So no for this year, but please return if Havlat remains unsigned this whole season or we resign Alfie.
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Originally Posted by Danrik
Trade #4
to Ottawa:
Martin Straka (LW/C)
to Pittsburgh:
Peter Schaefer (LW)
Brian Pothier (D)
draft pick
Reasoning: Schaefer is a young player with some unexplored offensive potential who proved to be a reliable checking line player with the Senators. He could be a second line player on the weak Pittsburgh team. Pothier is a young player with some upside. He could crack a weak D in PenLand. Straka would give the Sens some depth on the left side, a slight weakness. I guess this would be a fall-back plan if the Sens couldn't get a deal done for Frolov.
Watchya think?
We had Straka before. Undersized, gets injuried, expensive - last two seasons 01-2 13gp 5g 4a, 02-03 60gp 18g 28a. While talented, under production for the $ paid, with a contract until 2005. I wouldn't want Hossa looking at him in the dressing room wondering why Straka is getting the dollars. Don't think Mucks will bite at this one - Straka doesn't fit the mold of playoff player he looks for.
Though small, Straka is a very good playoff performer, and most people don't know that he is a very good defensive player. But the pens lose this trade. They will REALLY need offence this season, and Straka is their second best player and a leader, which always comes in handy on a young team.
Like a lot of posters, I don't think Detroit would do that deal, though the Oilers would.
Zett. played very well for a rookie, Calder runner-up, and should play just as well this year. I don't think that I would trade Zett. strait up for Comrie (and I am a Blues fan).
I'll propose a couple of trade proposals. Go ahead and tell me what you think, but beware that I don't respond well to flaming. :mad:
Trade #1
To Detroit:
Mike Comrie (C)
To Edmonton:
Henrik Zetterberg (LW/C)
Mathieu Dandenault (D)
Reasoning: The Oilers get a very nice (but at the same time fair) return for the services of Mike Comrie who is by all means a very talented young player who could one day be the Wings #1 center. Both Zetterberg and Dandenault are young (22 and 27, respectively) with good speed and skills at a relatively cheap price. Dandenault would help shore up the Oilers' defensive depth and with the deep defense in Detroit, is quite moveable. Zetterberg is a painful loss for the Wings, but they need a center like Comrie more than a winger like Zetterberg. And they're roughly the same age.
Trade #2
to New Jersey:
Alexei Zhamnov (C)
conditional pick (if Jersey doesn't resign him)
to Chicago:
Mike Rupp (C)
David Hale (D)
conditional pick (if Jersey resigns him)
Reasoning: This is kind of meant as a trade deadline deal, but whatever. Zhamnov will be a UFA next summer (I believe), and judging by Chicago's youth movement in place and also their history of letting their high-priced players leave town as free agents, they'd be wise to try and package him to a team like New Jersey who needs a #1 center. The package that the 'Hawks get in return ain't bad either. Rupp is big and skilled, and could maybe develop into a power forward. Hale is a big physical defenseman with good puck-moving skills. Perhaps the nicest thing about this deal from a Chicago perspective is the toughness, grit and size it would add to their rather dainty lineup. Zhamnov is a pretty talented player and could help the Devils offensively for sure.
Trade #3
to Ottawa:
Alexander Frolov (LW)
to Los Angeles:
Martin Havlat (RW)
Reasoning: The Senators resolve a contract dispute that seems to have reached a halt. And they get a left winger, something that they need. The Kings get themselves another top flight winger along with Ziggy Palffy, and now can make two solid lines with the likes of Deadmarsh, Robitaille, Stumpel, Allison, Palffy and Havlat. This one will be controversial, I know.
Trade #4
to Ottawa:
Martin Straka (LW/C)
to Pittsburgh:
Peter Schaefer (LW)
Brian Pothier (D)
draft pick
Reasoning: Schaefer is a young player with some unexplored offensive potential who proved to be a reliable checking line player with the Senators. He could be a second line player on the weak Pittsburgh team. Pothier is a young player with some upside. He could crack a weak D in PenLand. Straka would give the Sens some depth on the left side, a slight weakness. I guess this would be a fall-back plan if the Sens couldn't get a deal done for Frolov.
Watchya think?
1st one:Edmonton would do that,detroit may not
2nd one:Very fair done deal
3rd one:Similar players I would hold onto frolov though because he could blossom more than havlat
4 one:Considering what happened with kovalev this is a steal for pittsburgh if your not taking that into affect it depends on the draft pick if it's 3rd round at least it's fair
I think that would be a hell no from New Jersey personally.
They get a 33 year old center in Zhamnov and cough up a solid player in Hale, a pick if they resigned Zhamnov, and Rupp...
Um how about no?
Exactly. Lets not forget Rupp was the hero in game 7 of the cup finals. Hale is also being groomed to attempt to replace the physical D-man void when stevens retires.
