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09-21-2005, 11:17 AM
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Alexei Kaigorodov

Hey everybody!

What do you guys think!?
Will Alexei Kaigorodov ever play in Ottawa!?

How many years are left on his current contract with Metallurg Magnitogorsk?
Does anybody know this!?

Thanks for you help!

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09-21-2005, 12:00 PM
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Hey everybody!

What do you guys think!?
Will Alexei Kaigorodov ever play in Ottawa!?

How many years are left on his current contract with Metallurg Magnitogorsk?
Does anybody know this!?

Thanks for you help!

bye

I think its a one year thing. He'll definetely play in Ottawa eventually, should have been here this year were it not for transfer problems. Too bad.

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09-21-2005, 12:03 PM
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Hey everybody! What do you guys think!?
Will Alexei Kaigorodov ever play in Ottawa!? How many years are left on his current contract with Metallurg Magnitogorsk? Does anybody know this!? Thanks for you help! bye
From previous posts I have seen in the "business of hockey" board...russian posters have indicated that he has 1 year to go on his contract and is getting ~$1.3-$1.5M per year.

This would mean he could come over next season but it then becomes a matter of will he play for the rookie max vs more $ in Russia. Since he can't really negotiate more under the new CBA it will be a personal decision for him to make.

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09-21-2005, 01:26 PM
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I haven't been paying particular attention but from what I could tell, Kaigodorov hasn't been up to last year's performance in the RSL so far this year.

Anyone have the numbers?

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09-21-2005, 01:26 PM
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I haven't been paying particular attention but from what I could tell, Kaigodorov hasn't been up to last year's performance in the RSL so far this year.

Anyone have the numbers?
0g 2a in 4gp, and he's a +5.

http://www.russianprospects.com/publ...b93d266d51ce1e

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Thanks for the link.

That's not too bad at all, with only 4 games in.

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09-21-2005, 02:09 PM
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I've seen a couple of Magnitogorsk games, and I wonder what happened to last year's Kaigorodov. He's nowhere near the player he was last season. He looks awful out there.

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I've seen a couple of Magnitogorsk games, and I wonder what happened to last year's Kaigorodov. He's nowhere near the player he was last season. He looks awful out there.
Hes probably devastated he didn't get to play for the sens this year, i mean he missed out on winning the stanley cup as a rookie

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09-21-2005, 02:14 PM
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Hes probably devastated he didn't get to play for the sens this year, i mean he missed out on winning the stanley cup as a rookie
lol but seriously, I hope he brings his game up again, he was supposed to be one of our best prospects.

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lol but seriously, I hope he brings his game up again, he was supposed to be one of our best prospects.

I think he was demoted to 2nd line centre, as Malkin was given the 1st line job (and is tearing it up)

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What do you think Kaig's trade value is this season.... Let's say at the trade deadline if he has as much sucess as he did in Russia last year. Is he worth trading? Could we get more for him than we would for a first round pick? Do you think he will be a big star in the NHL or only a decent player?

If we need to make a deal at the trade deadline and need to trade him would you do it to try for the cup this year? I bet Mucks would if he felt he needed to do it.

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09-22-2005, 02:23 PM
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What do you think Kaig's trade value is this season.... Let's say at the trade deadline if he has as much sucess as he did in Russia last year. Is he worth trading? Could we get more for him than we would for a first round pick? Do you think he will be a big star in the NHL or only a decent player?

If we need to make a deal at the trade deadline and need to trade him would you do it to try for the cup this year? I bet Mucks would if he felt he needed to do it.
Personally I dislike the deadline deals. It's just not worth it. Case and point - Toronto. Was Immonen, a 1st, and a 2nd worth Leetch for 28 games? Was McAuley, Boyes, and a 1st worth Nolan for 86 games? Unless you win the cup it's just not a good move, and the odds of winning the cup as a result of such trades is so low it's not worth taking the gamble.

Re: dealing Kaig if such a deal were to happen. I think since we'll be in need of a 2nd line center next year, Kaigorodov should not be our first choice of trade bait. We have 4 or 5 prospects playing for RSL teams - who will likely blossom this year and be worth alot more than they are right now - who I'd prefer to see included in a deadline deal before Kaigorodov.

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Few players play great in just over 28 games. Normally it takes the better part of a season for a player to get adjusted, maybe more.

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09-22-2005, 05:10 PM
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Alexei had a good game today. 1 goal, 1 assist

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09-22-2005, 05:35 PM
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I was lookin around that Russian Prospects site and came across the player rankings. I'd say we definately have the deepest pile of top end Russian prospects out of all the NHL teams. According to their ranking system we have 7 guys over there that are between "Potential Superstar" (90) and "1st line forward/top defenseman/top goalie" (80).

If their rankings have any merit then Kaigorodov should be a fairly decent player for us (Volchenkov=89, Kaigorodov=87). Although if you believe them then Ovechkin(98) is only 2 points below "Rare talent (Gretzky, Lemieux)". So, take it for what it's worth but I still believe he'll be an average to above-average 2nd line center for us.

Here's their list if you're interested ( http://www.russianprospects.com/public/profile_main.php ):

Name Rating
Anton Volchenkov 89
Alexei Kaigorodov 87
Igor Mirnov 85
Kirill Lyamin 85
Ilya Zubov 85
Dmitri Megalinsky 83
Vitali Anikienko 82
Alexander Nikulin 77
Vitaliy Atyushov 73
Sergei Gimayev 68

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1g 3a in 5gp

BTW, Mirnov has 2g 4a in 6gp, the same point total as Kovalchuk in as many games.

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1g 3a in 5gp

BTW, Mirnov has 2g 4a in 6gp, the same point total as Kovalchuk in as many games.
Pretty respectable stats in a strong super league. Can't wait to see how they do as the season progresses.

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09-22-2005, 07:03 PM
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Hopefully, they get this mess straightened out with the Russian Hockey Federation so we can get a few of those budding stars over here. If Kaigorodov comes next year and I think he will, he will definately replace Smolinski and send him packing If Mirnov comes over and turns out to be a pretty good player and by all accounts he already is, than he will likely replace Havlat who may leave because of contract demands or Schaefer who is a UFA next year and the club may not resign him.

Next year
Heatley - Spezza - Bochenski - this line will be great together
Vermette - Fisher - Alfredson - if Havlat leaves, maybe we get a #1 draft choice?
Mirnov - Kaigorodov - Eaves - do you think this would be a good line?
McGratton - Kelly - Neil - IMO we need a bigger, tougher, centre on our 4th line

Redden - Volchenkov - they play great together
Phillips - Chara - with Havlat gone we can afford to re-sign Redden and Chara
Schubert - Meszaros - these two could also be very good together

Hasek - Emery - Hasek loved winning the cup again, he returns for another season.

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09-22-2005, 07:31 PM
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Why not resign Peter if Havlat leaves?

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Vermette - Fisher - Alfredson - if Havlat leaves, maybe we get a #1 draft choice?
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Hasek - Emery - Hasek loved winning the cup again, he returns for another season.
Havlat would definatly be worth a first rounder. I don't know about #1 (considering that's Kessel) but definately a high first rounder. If Mucks somehow turned Havlat into Kessel I would officially label him "GOD".

On a more realistic note though, Hasek will probably not be back next year. He's already won his cup. Therefore, Havlat should be turned into a goalie plus something else if it's possible. These next 3 years with Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson, and our defense is when we need impact; not 5 years down the road.

I say trade Havlat+Kaigorodov for Marleau+Toskala. Actually I'm gonna go post this in the Trade proposal section to see what people say.

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or Schaefer who is a UFA next year and the club may not resign him.
I've asked this question no end of times, with no definitive answer yet given to my knowledge... is Schaefer a UFA next year or not? He won't be 29 on July 1st, which I thought was the necessary condition to qualify for UFA status.

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Why not resign Peter if Havlat leaves?
Where do you fit him in? I agree with what everyone says about him but guys like Vermette are getting better every year and can do what Peter does, including Chris Kelly. Unless Peter breaks out offensively meaning he has a 40 point season then I don't know, he's just another defensive specialist?

Kaigorodov, Mirnov, Eaves, Wick these are just 4 guys who if they stay with the organization may make the team in future years. Maybe they replace guys like Havlat who may leave because of contract, I don't know of anyone else who may leave, Peter is a UFA next year, I think. Kai and Mirnov are both due to come over as well next year, right?

Fisher, Alfredson, Heatley, Spezza, Bochenski, and Vermette aren't going anywhere, agreed? Neil and McGratton probably keep their two spots and I would think that Eaves gets a spot next year. Schaefer doesn't play centre so the 4th line centre job probably goes to Kelly unless they sign someone. That's 10 forward spots out of 12 already spoken for and Kai replaces Smolinski, right? That's 11 forward spots.

My guess is if Mirnov doesn't come over they resign Schaefer or if they deal Havlat we may get that power forward in return like the Eric Cole rumoured deal that was almost done for Havlat. If Mirnov does come over and he turns out to be good, he probably plays with Kai, make sense? I just don't think there is enough room for Peter in this line up any more, I think the numbers catch up with him, unless he notches 40 points.

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Unless Peter breaks out offensively meaning he has a 40 point season then I don't know, he's just another defensive specialist?
Ok ... so last year when he had 39 points, that's not good enough? It has to be 40?

If he signs for $1-1.2M per year for 3 years I'd definately keep him for the 3rd line and trade Kaig or Mirnov for something that would probably be pretty valuable. But if he pulls a Matt Cooke then I'd definately be all for shipping him out of town.

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Ok ... so last year when he had 39 points, that's not good enough? It has to be 40?

If he signs for $1-1.2M per year for 3 years I'd definately keep him for the 3rd line and trade Kaig or Mirnov for something that would probably be pretty valuable. But if he pulls a Matt Cooke then I'd definately be all for shipping him out of town.
I'd say a million should be the most he gets. As time goes on, and other prospects come in, he may get relegated to fourth line status, and while he had 39 points last year, he also had what like 6 goals the year before? So his production will be tied to whether he stays or goes IMO. If he can keep up his production of last season then I bet he's around for couple more years.

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I say trade Havlat+Kaigorodov for Marleau+Toskala. Actually I'm gonna go post this in the Trade proposal section to see what people say.
I find Marleau to be rediculously overrated. He's never hit 60 points in his career and is maybe the most inconsistent player in the NHL. Toskela will be a UFA next year as well, I believe.

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