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With four surefire Hall-of-Famers playing in perhaps their last NHL season, the this Detroit Red Wings squad is taking perhaps their final kick at the proverbial can.
It's been an abnormally rocky off-season for the Wings after losing their grip on Stanely by the quacking Anaheim Ducks. First top prospect Igor Grigorenko, who promised to duplicate the rookie successes of Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk, was nearly killed in a car crash in Russia. Then the team bought out the contract of Luc Robitaille, who was anything but lucky in Motown last year.
The Wings went out signed hulking Stars defenseman Derian Hatcher and announced a new era of tough, defensive hockey in Detroit. As if to prove it, the Wings let the Ducks win the Sergei Fedorov sweepstakes and the team losts its best forward, both defensively and offensively.
The Wings tried to regain some of that offense when they resigned Ray Whitney. But they lost a lot of leadership and class when they let Igor Larionov slip away to the Devils, opening a spot for 19-year-old Jiri Hudler.
All this, and we haven't even mentioned the saga of Cujo and the Dominator.
So here are your 2003-04 Detroit Red Wings.

GOAL -- B

Dominik Hasek — His comeback could lead the team back to the promised land. Or it could rip the team apart.
So far, Hasek has been spotty in pre-season. He's let in some shaky goals. But he's also displayed some of quickness and instinctiveness that made him the best goalie in the NHL (yes, at his peak, the Dominator was better than Roy). But Hasek's going to need a lot of playing time, and with the Wings trying to keep Manny Legace sharp and show Curtish Joseph to prospective buyers, the coaches have a tall order in front of them.
Asking a 39-year-old goalie to comeback after a year away from the game is a lot. But this is Hasek we're talking about. He's a ferocious competitor, and that bodes well for the Wings.

Curtis Joseph — The quicker he leaves, the better off the Wings will be. He's handled this situation with class. It's too bad he never took off in Detroit, but he knew what was expected of him when he came here. Goalies are easy targets in Detroit. Particularly those who follow in the footsteps of Hasek.

Manny Legace — Legace needs playing time to remain sharp, as he was when backing up Osgood and Joseph. But he struggled when Hasek was last here and he often went weeks without playing. He'll probably get even less time this year. Legace could be the game's best backup and many feel he'd be an adequate starting goalie. But that opportunity is at least one year away.

DEFENSE — A+

Nick Lidstrom — The games best defenseman will have more help this year with Derian Hatcher around and full seasons from Matthieu Schneider and Jiri Fischer. He's lost a step, but he's still an amazing hockey player. It appears he'll be paired with Hatcher and some say that will give him more opportunties to jump into the offense. Don't bet on it. Not with Hatcher's speed.

Derian Hatcher — Big bruising defenseman brings hitting, leadership and crease clearing ability to the Wings. His lack of speed has surprised some Wings fans. But come on, he's paired with Lidstrom, who made Matthieu Dandenault look like Bobby Orr-light last year. Hatcher makes an already good defense inpenatrable — on paper anyway.

Chris Chelios — Chelios is still one of the best defensive defenseman in the game. He's as chippy as they come. And one of the smartest in the game. However, his passing skills have badly eroded and he's been killed by turnovers in his own zone. Having Hatcher around should lessen the burden on the old man. He still ranks among the league's best penalty killers.

Jiri Fischer — The big young defenseman looks poised to pick up where he left off in the 01-02 season, when he finally showed the league why the Wings are so high on him. He's huge and not afraid to hit. He's got a cannon for a shot. His passing is pretty good. And he's better at reading the play on offense and defense. With Lidstrom, Schneider, Woolley and Hatcher on the team, he won't see much power-play time. That's a shame, because this kid could become a force out there.

Matthieu Scheider — The Wings paid dearly to pick him up at the deadline. One of the best powerplay quarterbacks in the league, Schneider has a booming slapshot and sees the play well. His defense is suspect at time, but he plays with surprising grit at time. One wonders if he'll be happy as the team's fifth defenseman. If youngster Nik Kronwall develops in the AHL, don't be surprised to see him dealt.

Matthieu Dandenault — Turned around a terrible year after being paired with Lidstrom mid-season. Still, as he showed in the playoffs mental gaffes plague this swift-skating converted forwards. Better suited as a third pairing defenseman. Gets lost in his own zone at times of sustained pressure. He's one of the best overtime four on four players on the Wings, with all that speed.

Jason Woolley — Signed a two year deal knowing he'd be a spare part. Woolley is soft in his own zone but very dangerous on offense. Few defenseman have a better sense for jumping into the offense. But again, while smart, he's often physically overmatched in the corners and in front of the crease.

Niklas Kronwall — After a slow start, this 5-11 defenseman showed the Wings that he was worthy of their late first round pick three years ago. Kronwall is slick. He's got a nice shot. Offensively, he reads the play well. He loves to hit forwards along the boards or, even better, at mid ice. But maybe too much. he's been caught out of position trying to make hits a few times. And he tends to run around too much in his own zone when the offense pours it on. Still. He's ready now. And if he didn't have one of the best defenses in NHL History ahead of him on the depth charts, he'd have a spot on opening night.

CENTERS - B-

Henrik Zetterberg — A natural center, Zetterberg played left wing last year when he lead all rookies in points. Zetterberg seems ready to help fill Fedorov's void. Wings observers are very impressed with his two-way game and dogged determination on the puck. Blessed with all that stickhandling and passing skill, Zetterberg never gives up on a play. Still, it remains to be seen if he can make the move to center, where he'll have to be more responsible defensively. He's already shown that he's responsible. But can he make the transition without losing offense? Needs to carry solid play into playoffs.

Pavel Datsyuk — Absolute dynamite in the second half after returning from a knee injury. He's one of the game's most exciting players, shifting, twirling and dancing around defenders and generally making people look silly. He still needs to make his game a little more north/south. And he should use his wicked wrist shot a little more often. Defensively, he's underrated. He's a fantastic pocket picker and he works hard. He's been better this year on faceoffs. And he needs to get the puck out of his zone a little quicker. Like Zetterberg, Datsyuk must carry play into playoffs.

Kris Draper – With Fedorov gone, Draper's role as a defensive center will expand. He works well with his grind line mates, especially Maltby. Hard worker. Fast. Effective penalty killer. Draper could earn serious Selke consideration this year.

Jiri Hudler – He could be the first teenager to earn a full-time role on the wings since Keith Primeau. While blessed with talent, he's a little young and a little weak. Surprisingly, his game is pretty straight forward. He doesn't dance around like Zetterberg and Datsyuk. He goes straight to the net. He needs to be a little more patient before dishing off. Don't expect him to be a rookie of the year candidate this year.

Jason Williams — Can't go back to the minors without clearing waivers, so he'd better have a good year or he'll be sitting in the press box. Has shown a little more grit this year. Has a knack around the net, in a Ray Sheppard kind of way. The rest of his game is very average.

LEFT WING — B+
Brendan Shanahan — Isn't the physical force he once was, but still has a great shot and he'll drop the gloves when the mood strikes him. Scored more than 30 last year despite having little chemistry with Fedorov. With a passer like Zetterberg on his line, he should score more five-on-five goals this year.

Ray Whitney — A natural offensive talent with speed, Whitney seems to be a good fit with Datsyuk and Hull. Don't expect the numbers he had in Columbus, where he put up tons of powerplay points, but he'll help the Wings. He can play all three forward positions, which is very nice for a wings team which could see change during the regular season.

Kirk Maltby — Always a good defensive player and pest deluxe, Maltby took a big step forward, scoring more goals and becoming more of a leader on the team. Like Draper, expect him to have a bigger role on the team this year.

Boyd Devereaux — Despite good speed and solid work ethic, the Devereaux experiment has flopped in Detroit. The kid simply can't stay healthy. And when he is healthy, he can't stay on his skates. He'll rotate in and out of the lineup with Williams and Hudler someone takes a stranglehold on the final two roster spots.


RIGHT WING — B-

Tomas Holmstrom — No one deserved a 20-goal season more than Tomas Holmstrom. A hard worker who takes a nightly beating, Holmstrom really impressed in Detroit last year. This year, he'll get his powerplay time in front of the net. But he could be skating on the first line with Zetterberg and Shanahan, so don't be surprised to see him match or surpass 20 goals. His skating is still subpar, but it's improved. His passing and stickhandling has also improved.

Brett Hull — The Wings have pencilled him in for 30-35 goals. Having Datsyuk and Whitney buzzing around to set up that one-timer should mean he'll have plenty of opportunties this year. Hull had a dismal playoff last year and needs to rebound. It could be his last year in Detroit. He's made noises about wanting to go to Dallas. He's been a good team player in Detroit. If the team falters, it'll be interesting to here what Brett says.

Darren McCarty — McCarty will never be the player the Wings hoped. He's never really healthy. And this offseason, he relapsed with substance abuse. Still, he's a heart and soul guy. He signed a 4 year deal with Detroit. He'll retire here.

Steve Yzerman — There are whispers in Detroit that he should hang'em up. The pre-season in Detroit has shown that his mobility is no better than last year, when he returned from knee surgery usually done on seniors staving off full-on knee replacement. His turns are wide. His acceleration is gone. He can't seem to plant for a good wrister or slapper. His body isn't playing the same game as his brain.
Still, he's the captain. He's the undispute leader. And he's a smart hockey player who's dedication is unmatched.
That's still good for something.

Coaching C
Dave Lewis needs to step out of Scotty's shadow. Last year, he went with Scotty's lines and lost.
Dave Lewis needs to take control of this veteran team. Last year, he was hired as a players coach and lost.
There's been a lot of talk in Detroit about the new defensive era. But you could have 6 Nik Lidstroms on your defense. If the entire team isn't playing a defensive game, your defense won't look so great.
The Wings simply don't have the personnel to play Devils-style hockey. I'm not sure Lewis could convince the veterans to play that style even if they did.

GM B-
Ken Holland needs to recitify the Cujo situation right away. But he also doesn't want to get ripped off. Holland has been pretty good with free agent signings, but his trading record leaves a lot to be desired. He's also had bad luck with excess goalies, getting nothing for Osgood two years ago.

OUTLOOK B
For the first time in years there are serious questions hounding this team. Can Zetterberg and Datsyuk step up and replace Fedorov's world class talents? Can Hasek regain form? Is this team finally to old and slow? Is Dave Lewis the right man for the job? Can Holland deal Cujo before it becomes a real distraction? Can Yzerman make it through the year?
Still, the Wings have too much talent to go down too easily.
Prediction: 2nd place in the central. 4th in the West. Eliminated in the conference finals.

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GM B-
Ken Holland needs to recitify the Cujo situation right away. But he also doesn't want to get ripped off. Holland has been pretty good with free agent signings, but his trading record leaves a lot to be desired. He's also had bad luck with excess goalies, getting nothing for Osgood two years ago.


I think a B- is to high. Honestly i'd give him a D. His mistakes have been covered with a big payroll. And i dont think Ken Holland is the reason FA's are coming to Detroit.
Hasek demanded a trade to Detroit.
3 players deffered money to sign Hull. If that wouldn't have happened, Hull would not be a Detroit Red Wing
Hull, Chelios and others talked to Hatcher about coming to Detroit.
Overpaid for Cujo in money and years. when players like Hull, Yzerman and Chelios were asking for Belfour
He has overpaid in every single trade he has every made. He trades for a guy in Woolley who he could have grabbed off waivers for free.
He overpaided for Chris Chelios. Who has had only has had one good season in Detroit. The only reason it looks like a good deal because the BlackHawks wasted those two 1st round picks.
Didn't trade Osgood when he had a deal in place with the Rangers. Fought with Sather over money
Didn't resign Lariniov, then traded back for him.
Lets Doug Brown go in the expansion draft, traded back for him (4th rounder)
Uwe Krupp, when you sign a free agent with back and knee problems, you put an insurance policy on the contract.
You do not give Steve Duchense a no-trade clause
Look at the Wings drafting record. Two 1st round picks in the last six years. Most of the prospects the Wings have now are what would have been considered sleeper. Thet credit goes to the European scouting.
Trades a 1st (2003) and 2nd (2004) Sean Avery and Maxim Kuznetsov for Mathieu Scheinder. IMO Avery and Kuznetsov wasn't a big loss, but losing a 1st rounder in a deep draft was horrible
Now the Wings are forced to trade draft picks because they are short on prospects. But now they are short on prospects becuase they are always trading draft picks.
I wont hold the Fedorov thing against him. Both parties share the blame in that matter.

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Wonderful post, very down to earth and makes me even more informed about them. However, grading the Wings D an A+ is far from accurate, despite that I feel their D ranks first in the NHL (on paper, I betcha with the Wings game plan they won't even end up in the top 5 in goals allowed), but an A+ means a perfect Defense, more perfect then perfect could ever be. Yet it has his questionmarks, and as everyone's, has his lacks.

- Derian Hatcher, my man, kinda overachieved last season, could he rebound and play 2nd fiddle again? Though a very luxe questionmark to have.

- Chris Chelios, he's slowly fading away, declining step by step, at this point, I feel he's a decent #3.

- Niklas Lidstrom, ... hmm.. uuuh.. well.. meh!

- Jiri Fisher, he got injured during a very important stage of his career, can he rebound from that serious injury and will it leave his marks? Can he continue his progression or did it block his upside?

- Mattiue Schneider, kinda looked out of place during his stay with the Wings since he was their #3, with Hatcher added, I doubt Schneider 's play would improve.

Then my general point, every team that had amazing defensive depth during the last few seasons had at least one individual victim who experienced a sub-par season. It's simply impossible to satisfie 3, maybe 4 first pairing defensemen with the proper icetime they desite to succeed and to make themself feel comfortable. The Devils experienced so with Tverdovski, the Stars did so with Hatcher (in 2002), Matvichuk and Sydor, the Avs had some with Skoula and I'm sure there are more. It will be interesting to see how things work out. But despite that the Wings have the league's best defense group, it's far from a perfect defense with no holes like you claim (A+ indicates that).

That's my only real point that got my attention, but in order to grade one team's an A+, it needs 6 #1's, all playing in their prime.

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I have to disagree with you M=G. While our defense may not be the best ever, it certainly ranks up there on paper. And to say an "A+" defense would consist of all number 1's playing their prime is silly. I feel NewsGuy used REALISTIC ratings in comparison with other teams in the league. No other team in the league has the defensive depth the Wings have, and therefore an A+ is an acceptable rating. There never has been a team with all number 1's, and there likely never will be, meaning that your definition of an A+ team is unrealistic.

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I feel NewsGuy used REALISTIC ratings in comparison with other teams in the league.
I rated it based on general impressions, while not comparing it with the rest of the NHL. Though the Wings deserve the highest grade, an A is more appropiate..

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I rated it based on general impressions, while not comparing it with the rest of the NHL. Though the Wings deserve the highest grade, an A is more appropiate..
Fair enough. Hey dude, write up a preview for the Stars.
We should get one for every team ... IMO, these things are better than whay you'd get at sportsline.

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Fair enough. Hey dude, write up a preview for the Stars.
We should get one for every team ... IMO, these things are better than whay you'd get at sportsline.
Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful preview, I just don't feel anything or anyone in the deserves an A+, for maybe save the Wings goalie situation or the Avs top 2 lines.

I'll try one for the Stars when I get back from school in about 2/3 hours..

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Is datsyuk going to be playing wing or center. If he isn't playing center, then the rating for the center position needs to be dummed down a tad. In fact, it might be alittle high as it is. Maybe mid-season, after we see how the guys play and if they have chemistry, give it a B -, but for now, its not above average (B), but average at this position (C).

Just my two cents. Detroit will get it done anyways .

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Is datsyuk going to be playing wing or center. If he isn't playing center, then the rating for the center position needs to be dummed down a tad. In fact, it might be alittle high as it is. Maybe mid-season, after we see how the guys play and if they have chemistry, give it a B -, but for now, its not above average (B), but average at this position (C).

Just my two cents. Detroit will get it done anyways .
Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Draper are the first three centers.
Hudler/WIlliams will compete for the fourth center positions.

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Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Draper are the first three centers.
Hudler/WIlliams will compete for the fourth center positions.
I haven't followed them closely this preseason, so I may be off in my assesment. How are they performing and what are the lines looking like.

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I think a B- is to high. Honestly i'd give him a D. His mistakes have been covered with a big payroll. And i dont think Ken Holland is the reason FA's are coming to Detroit.
Hasek demanded a trade to Detroit.
3 players deffered money to sign Hull. If that wouldn't have happened, Hull would not be a Detroit Red Wing
Hull, Chelios and others talked to Hatcher about coming to Detroit.
Overpaid for Cujo in money and years. when players like Hull, Yzerman and Chelios were asking for Belfour
He has overpaid in every single trade he has every made. He trades for a guy in Woolley who he could have grabbed off waivers for free.
He overpaided for Chris Chelios. Who has had only has had one good season in Detroit. The only reason it looks like a good deal because the BlackHawks wasted those two 1st round picks.
Didn't trade Osgood when he had a deal in place with the Rangers. Fought with Sather over money
Didn't resign Lariniov, then traded back for him.
Lets Doug Brown go in the expansion draft, traded back for him (4th rounder)
Uwe Krupp, when you sign a free agent with back and knee problems, you put an insurance policy on the contract.
You do not give Steve Duchense a no-trade clause
Look at the Wings drafting record. Two 1st round picks in the last six years. Most of the prospects the Wings have now are what would have been considered sleeper. Thet credit goes to the European scouting.
Trades a 1st (2003) and 2nd (2004) Sean Avery and Maxim Kuznetsov for Mathieu Scheinder. IMO Avery and Kuznetsov wasn't a big loss, but losing a 1st rounder in a deep draft was horrible
Now the Wings are forced to trade draft picks because they are short on prospects. But now they are short on prospects becuase they are always trading draft picks.
I wont hold the Fedorov thing against him. Both parties share the blame in that matter.

I am no Holland fan. In fact, on this board and others, I've been slammed for being too critical. I muzzled myself a bit on the Holland and Lewis ratings .

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I haven't followed them closely this preseason, so I may be off in my assesment. How are they performing and what are the lines looking like.
Holmstrom-Zetterberg-Shanahan
WHitney-Datsyuk-Hull
Maltby-Draper-McCarty
Williams Hudler Yzerman Devereaux

Expect Holmstrom and Yzerman to change positions.
Yzerman Hudler Williams and Devereaux will rotate for the final three spots in the lineup.

Datsyuk and Zetterberg both seem eager to take on the biggere roles and have looked very, very good so far.

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Nice honest write up Newsguyone.

Enoch: Datsyuk will still be a center. Wings don't have many centers as it is.

And as far as Fischer is concerned, I saw him last night playing the Leafs and looks very mobile and fast. Doesn't look like any ill effects from the knee injury to me.

Holland a B? More like a D. 2 times he's had a goalie he couldn't trade, overpays for Schneider (Bowman even told him it was overpaying), signs Whitney which is good but since they were pretty much the only team after him they could have got him for less, still has Woolley on the team etc. etc. etc.

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I'm kind of dissapointed that the datsyuk - zetterberg - hull line has been broken up....they were dynamite.

I guess you do what you have to when there is a shortage on centers tho

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I haven't followed them closely this preseason, so I may be off in my assesment. How are they performing and what are the lines looking like.


right now this is what i think the lines will look like

Holmstrom-Zetterberg-Shanny
Whitney-Datsyuk-Hull
Maltby-Draper-McCarty

The 4th line will be a mix match of Yzerman, Williams, Devereaux and Hudler (maybe). Both Williams and Hudler can play center. Devereaux is useless IMO. I would rather keep Wilm instead of him. Williams looks faster this years. Hudler looks okay, but man is he small. Devereaux still cant skate..

In a few hours the cuts will be in. Hudler could be sent to Grand Rapids to get alot of icetime. Wilm could earn a spot. I like what he has done. And Bootland impressed me last night. But it was only one game

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Lidstrom-Hatcher
Fischer-Chelios
Schneider-Dandenault/Woolley

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still has Woolley on the team etc. etc. etc.


I liked the fact they gave Woolley a contract. But not the way Holland traded for him He's a 7th Dman and is being paid that way. As we learned last year, you can never have enough depth

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wilm is a shutdown player nothing more nothing less. If he gets ice, I would hope its b/c you want Hudler to get a lot of developmental time in Grand Rapids.

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Heck of a write up. You did a great and fair job.

A couple of things. Holland has been killed on some trades, but he has done well on others. Keep in mind that trading at the deadline for a big name player will get you killed/pay way too much, no matter who you are.

Further, the Cheli trade did bring them the cup two years ago. (Cheli had one good year left in him and he really helped the wings that year).

I don't think Hatcher will have the year he had last season, but I don't think he will fall off by a lot. If he is matched w/ Linstrom (who plays a very simular style to that of Zubov) he should play well.

Finally, I see Fischer stepping into the role of 3rd Dman. Cheli is used up, great in situational play but doesn't move as well (last year and I would expect this year) as Hatcher (which is saying a lot).

Feds loss will really hurt the Wings this year. I think that Zet will be fine at Center, but I don't like Homer on the 2nd line. (Great/tough player, but can't create his own chances). If he isn't able to get to the front of the net, he isn't effective. (As a forth liner, he has always played against the 3rd D pairing, now he will be forced to play against the 2nd).

Thanks for the review. Great work. Look forward to the start of the season and watching the Blues/Wings games.

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wilm is a shutdown player nothing more nothing less. If he gets ice, I would hope its b/c you want Hudler to get a lot of developmental time in Grand Rapids.


Thats what i think. It's more important for Hudler to et alot of minutes down in Grand Rapids instead of 10 minutes in Detroit.
Plus Wilm has done everyhting asked of him. He's stood up for his teammates fought two guys bigger and stronger than him.

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Newsguyone,

That was an extremely non-homer preview. Shame on you! Have you learned nothing from hanging out at Hockey's Future?

In fact, you even took it a step further and DID NOT pick Detroit to win the division (which even the majority of non-Detroit fans have not done).

Frankly, I am shocked and dismayed by this blatant display of non-homerism.

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10-06-2003, 09:33 AM
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I think a B- is to high. Honestly i'd give him a D. His mistakes have been covered with a big payroll. And i dont think Ken Holland is the reason FA's are coming to Detroit.
Id have to agree. Holland doesnt do much to impress me. He's never gotten a great player for dirt cheap like some GM's end up doing. He over pays like a mofo. 2 first and eriksson (yes i know eriksson) for chelios, who at the time was no youngster. Now 1 first, a second, and avery for schneider. I know schneider is good and i like him, dont get me wrong, but come on, thats a lot, considering we arent getting any younger and schneider isnt getting any younger and isnt really too young to begin with, AND he's a ufa after this season, so that doesnt help. Hopfully holland will start making some moves to prove he's actually a GREAT gm, regardless of money.

Although, i gotta hand it to him, most of his trades have been fairly decent, i mean like the chelios one could have killed us, schneiders too. The only ones that sucked there the entire deadline the year we got ranford, clark, and samuelsson. We had nothing to show for it after that season.

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10-06-2003, 09:34 AM
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Thats what i think. It's more important for Hudler to et alot of minutes down in Grand Rapids instead of 10 minutes in Detroit.
Plus Wilm has done everyhting asked of him. He's stood up for his teammates fought two guys bigger and stronger than him.
In all honesty id rather have us spend another million or so and get a vet like oates or thomas then get someone like wilm into the line-up. Ive watched him play and he's done nothing to impress me at all, shutdown guy or not, im not amused.

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In all honesty id rather have us spend another million or so and get a vet like oates or thomas then get someone like wilm into the line-up. Ive watched him play and he's done nothing to impress me at all, shutdown guy or not, im not amused.
I admire the fact he's got guts but I'm not too disappointed in him not being here. But Deveraux has got to go. Why is he still here? He's useless IMO.

Too bad The Wings aren't looking at Oates. Even at 41 he's still a fine center.

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10-06-2003, 03:06 PM
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I think Holmstrφm is a better hockeyplayer than most people think he is, with ok puck-skills. The main reason he has played the human Piρata for the most of his career is because that is where his team needed him to be. And he is a 100% teamplayer. Anyone that takes that much punishment for his team gets my respect.

Shame about Yzerman. One of the best and classiest players of his era. You always want the players you admire to go out with a bang and not a pssst.

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This is a pretty fair assessment of the Wings. Kudos, newsguyone

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