i'm done with this... would appear the sens bias is unbearable in high doses.
lol i don't think Brandon Bochenski will win the calder but to say he has no chance at all is wrong. Like i said small chance he leads rookies in scoring, but if he does he would have to be cosnidered for the award.
I would have to disagree... if Phaneuf or any solid defensvie player steps in and makes an impact on their team... and helps contend for a playoff spot or something substantial then they should/could/may be considered.
i'm done with this... would appear the sens bias is unbearable in high doses.
Right, Sens bias
I guess according to you, even if Bochenski manages to score 30 goals, he still shouldn't be considered because Crosby, Ovechkin, Carter, Richards, etc are all more talented.
First off, a lot of haters really do not seem to understand the concept of a darkhorse candidate. Second, if Bo leads the rookie class in scoring than he will very likely be a candidate with a pretty good shot at winning. Third, he could lead the leugue in scoring given that he is playing on one of the best lines in the NHL. Rechi and Leclair look pretty awful compared to Heatley and Spezza. So do most line mates. If he is a natural goal scorer, then he will stick with this line and will likely rack up the points. Given that the Sens management thinks that he deserves to be on that line, he probably is a natural goal scorer. I just would not be shocked to see him lead the rookies in scoring and I think that really gives him a good shot at the Calder... hence he is a darkhorse for that trophy.
I think the idea of somebody who didn't have a writeup about him in the Hockey News Draft Preview or not listed on the Hockey's Future's top 50 winning the Calder would be sacreligious to some.
It would be like printing up counterfeit money and trying to pass that off as the real deal
I guess according to you, even if Bochenski manages to score 30 goals, he still shouldn't be considered because Crosby, Ovechkin, Carter, Richards, etc are all more talented.
If Bochenski seriously stays on a line with Heatley and Spezza, then he could have an amazing year, but to me that would a HUGE longshot. (I personally don't see Ottawa keeping him on that line all year, but what do I know...)
But then again, being a huge longshot by definition makes you a darkhorse candidate, so by that logic I suppose he certainly could be considered one.
As regards to Carter and Richards, they may be victims to a numbers game in Philadelphia.
I guess according to you, even if Bochenski manages to score 30 goals, he still shouldn't be considered because Crosby, Ovechkin, Carter, Richards, etc are all more talented.
no.. if he has a great season then for sure he can potentially be voted for... I just don't see it.
no.. if he has a great season then for sure he can potentially be voted for... I just don't see it.
Why though? You just seem to be arguing based on ignorance, not objectively.
Bochenski seems to have the first line spot nailed down. He is playing with 2 gifted playmakers and he has an excellent shot. He is 22 years old, has played a year in the AHL, and he could not have a more ideal situation to start his career.
Bochenski could lead the rookies in scoring and be the best player and still not win it because of the name. That's usually how it goes, and I'd expect no different this year. Crosby, Ovechkin or Lehtonen will win it regardless.
Bochenski could lead the rookies in scoring and be the best player and still not win it because of the name. That's usually how it goes, and I'd expect no different this year. Crosby, Ovechkin or Lehtonen will win it regardless.
Bochenski would have to be MUCH better then the hyped guys to have a shot at the Calder, simply because, as people have already mentioned the League WANTS Crosby to win, and if he struggled they'll look to another of the hyped prospects. That being said, in terms of a "darkhorse" candidate outside of the main names being thrown about, Bochenshki is as good a choice as anyone
Bochenski would have to be MUCH better then the hyped guys to have a shot at the Calder, simply because, as people have already mentioned the League WANTS Crosby to win
in order to win the Calder Bochenski would have to lead rookie scoring by roughly 5 points(which i can see happening but it's very unlikely), if he does he has a good chance of winning, if not then he won't.
-the league had any influence over the award winners
and
-a player beat out a more deserving one due to hype
Because I'd say neither has occured. In 1992 the media were practically ready to give Lindros the Calder before the season even started, and yet when the final votes were tallied, Selanne, Juneau, and Potvin left him in their dust.
Why though? You just seem to be arguing based on ignorance, not objectively.
Bochenski seems to have the first line spot nailed down. He is playing with 2 gifted playmakers and he has an excellent shot. He is 22 years old, has played a year in the AHL, and he could not have a more ideal situation to start his career.
look one post below yours... sting004 explains it well even though I can't stand him.
I never once in this thread said he wasn't good... your sens fans are too defensive towards us leaf fans
Just to add a little more homerism to this thread:
If we are discussing players being Calder contenders because they are in a good situation, then Niklas Kronwall definitely needs to be mentioned. There's a good possibilty he spends the season playing with Lidstrom on the first pairing or Schneider on the second, and he will get a share of the powerplay time as well. He was NHL-ready last season, had a dominating season in the AHL, and was arguably the best defenseman at the World Championships this year.
agree about kronwall! voted best d-man in AHL last yr. i don't see a rookie d-man that looks more likely to win calder. he and bochenski are dark horses. detroit rookies have come in 2nd often--fedorov, lidstrom, zetterberg. kronwall?
agree about kronwall! voted best d-man in AHL last yr. i don't see a rookie d-man that looks more likely to win calder. he and bochenski are dark horses. detroit rookies have come in 2nd often--fedorov, lidstrom, zetterberg. kronwall?
I'd say Kronwall is quite a bit more advanced than Phaneuf at this point, in all aspects of the game other than maybe hitting (although Kronwall has layed out Joe Thornton, which is something that can't be paid for Phaneuf).
I'd say Kronwall is quite a bit more advanced than Phaneuf at this point, in all aspects of the game other than maybe hitting (although Kronwall has layed out Joe Thornton, which is something that can't be paid for Phaneuf).
Like i stated above the Calder is a award usually based on stats, the only ay either guy would win the award is if they put up nice offensive numbers or had a good plus minus(i would assume with the competition this year that plus minus would have to be close to 30)
Is Kronwall even eligable? He played 20 games in 2003-2004
