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09-25-2005, 05:10 PM
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This why the leafs will never win a cup!

I have been and lived in toronto.The town is funny,if the refs make blatant calls all night against toronto,we thank them.If one of our good young players screw up we boo them and trade them for a 15th rounder.Then we trade the farm for a washed up injury palgued vet and over pay him.Not good enough for toronto:Modin,russ courtnall(both won cups),jason smith,sullivan,mcaulay,luongo(traded for w.clark),jonsson,markov,yushkevich.

Replaced with lymmme,ericksson,reichel,krhistich,kordic,w clark,nolan.

If a vet plays badly i.e lymme he will be played over and over to teach the fans a lesson.If a young player makes on single mistake he will be traded for a bag of pucks.Toronto does not have a lot of prospects,in fact we are worst in the nhl.We will never have a first overall pick.So we resign oursleves to trading young guys away and replacing them with wahsed up over paid vets while the young guys go on to win cups.The bottom line is toronto fans are too apathetic unless its time to chase a good young prospect out of town.Toronto will never win a cup because from top to bottom,the appraoch is one of a loser.Want to boo,boo toronto fans and management..still the laughing stock of the leaugue.I know lets trade antropov for a 7th rounder and then trade for Bourque and then pay him 9 million.I hate being a leaf fan because the truth is we love losing and accept it.

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09-25-2005, 05:18 PM
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Every team does it. Naslund and St. Louis are examples. Bertuzzi can be thrown in as well. Lumme was probably the most hated Leaf on all of the teams he played on. Toronto has 3 players right now, who definately look NHL ready in Steen, Cola, and Wellwood. Tellqvist will probably back-up. Racine has looked good this pre-season, Kronwall has emerged as a prospect, and we have a highly touted goaltender in Rask. I'd say 95% of the people here are against dumping Antropov, JFJ has implemented a new emphasis on scouting. You get good prospects by being crap, and we haven't been crap for a fairly long time. The old NHL was based around filling holes and the best players available, we tried to do that. Was Nolan, Niewy, CuJo and other players injuries at key times to be expected? Realistically, Detroit, NJ and Colorado have been better "franchises" over the last decade. Possibly throw in Dallas. Not many more, it's a 30 team league. We haven't been perfect throughout the history, far from it, but the organization looks to be approaching it in the right direction.

The only thing I dislike about being a Leafs fan is putting up with pathetic fans like you who only look at the negatives and ***** about not winning. We have one of the most successful franchises in NHL history and have done very well of late. Stop crying.

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if the refs make blatant calls all night against toronto,we thank them.
Like when? Give me some examples.

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If one of our good young players screw up we boo them and trade them for a 15th rounder.

Besides Antropov, what young players have the fans booed? The team has a knack of thinking short term rather than long term (of course, MLSE must get their playoff revenues, even if it means jeopordizing our chances at a Cup down the road), but I don't think this has anything to do with the fans.


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If a vet plays badly i.e lymme he will be played over and over to teach the fans a lesson.
I don't understand this.

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The bottom line is toronto fans are too apathetic unless its time to chase a good young prospect out of town.
Not true. We've booed Belfour. We've booed Murphy. Sundin took a lot of heat early in his career as a Leaf. These wern't prospects.

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09-25-2005, 05:52 PM
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I have been and lived in toronto.The town is funny,if the refs make blatant calls all night against toronto,we thank them.If one of our good young players screw up we boo them and trade them for a 15th rounder.Then we trade the farm for a washed up injury palgued vet and over pay him.Not good enough for toronto:Modin,russ courtnall(both won cups),jason smith,sullivan,mcaulay,luongo(traded for w.clark),jonsson,markov,yushkevich.

Replaced with lymmme,ericksson,reichel,krhistich,kordic,w clark,nolan.

If a vet plays badly i.e lymme he will be played over and over to teach the fans a lesson.If a young player makes on single mistake he will be traded for a bag of pucks.Toronto does not have a lot of prospects,in fact we are worst in the nhl.We will never have a first overall pick.So we resign oursleves to trading young guys away and replacing them with wahsed up over paid vets while the young guys go on to win cups.The bottom line is toronto fans are too apathetic unless its time to chase a good young prospect out of town.Toronto will never win a cup because from top to bottom,the appraoch is one of a loser.Want to boo,boo toronto fans and management..still the laughing stock of the leaugue.I know lets trade antropov for a 7th rounder and then trade for Bourque and then pay him 9 million.I hate being a leaf fan because the truth is we love losing and accept it.
Why would you even post this?

Are you sad because you can't spell Lumme? Do you miss Raymond Bourque?

Toronto has done what it could to try and win the Stanley Cup these past few years. Sure they traded away Boyes and McCauley but players get traded every year in the NHL with far less Vitriol than what you are displaying to your "TEAM".

If I was a Team and you were my fan I would tell you to leave. Go and be a whiny loser somewhere else. It's your attitude that is so pervasive in the media. It is guys like Simmons, Hornsby and you that look for the absolute worst in their "TEAM" to exploit and poke at.

The Leafs would never not try to win.
The Leafs have a pretty decent core of talent coming up.
The Leafs have spent more money than any other team in the league on Scouting NHL teams, CHL teams and European teams.

And last but not least the Leafs spend every year with their eyes on the prize of winning the Stanley Cup. There is no other reason they play these games, sign the players they do and try year after year to make the team better.

You want a first round #1 overall draft pick. Be a fan of Washington or New York.

Or don't, I am sure they need you even less as a fan then the Leafs do.

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I have been to the big smoke once during hockey season and I remember it was around the trade deadline and the leafs had a good team(I personally thought they did not have a chance in hell of winning the cup because of their D and G--but fans and media both said that they could)--all sides were screaming for the leafs to go out and get some vets that would put them over the top-- I believe the leafs went out--traded some prospects and got some vets.

The overall mentality of the leafs thinking is win now and worry about tomorrow tomorrow

This has changed a little---the Owen Nolan deal is one that will come back to bite them is the ***(even before Nolan went down) and the leafs are trying to balance things out--this off season they went shopping and got the vets they wanted(if they stay healthy is another story) and now they hopefully wont trade their prospects.

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09-25-2005, 07:04 PM
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How will Nolan hurt them? McCauley wasn't going to get a shot here regardless. Stajan easily fills his role. He was our fourth line center and the 3 guys we have now are better. Nolans salary doesn't hurt us at all.

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How will Nolan hurt them? McCauley wasn't going to get a shot here regardless. Stajan easily fills his role. He was our fourth line center and the 3 guys we have now are better. Nolans salary doesn't hurt us at all.
Boyes and there's not knowing who we would've picked with our 1st rounder.

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I'm not convinced on Boyes. For such a highly touted pick he's been in the minors longer than I expect. He's been traded since as well. He did get a 1-way deal this year, but I see some positives in the deal and understand why they did it. It also gave Wellwood the chance to really step-up and make an impression.

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Kind of a selective, extreme argument that is not worth pursuing IMO.

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If he plays well this year, I completely agree it's a bad trade. Until he does, I don't think it was a "mistake".

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Why would you even post this?

Are you sad because you can't spell Lumme? Do you miss Raymond Bourque?

Toronto has done what it could to try and win the Stanley Cup these past few years. Sure they traded away Boyes and McCauley but players get traded every year in the NHL with far less Vitriol than what you are displaying to your "TEAM".

If I was a Team and you were my fan I would tell you to leave. Go and be a whiny loser somewhere else. It's your attitude that is so pervasive in the media. It is guys like Simmons, Hornsby and you that look for the absolute worst in their "TEAM" to exploit and poke at.

The Leafs would never not try to win.
The Leafs have a pretty decent core of talent coming up.
The Leafs have spent more money than any other team in the league on Scouting NHL teams, CHL teams and European teams.

And last but not least the Leafs spend every year with their eyes on the prize of winning the Stanley Cup. There is no other reason they play these games, sign the players they do and try year after year to make the team better.

You want a first round #1 overall draft pick. Be a fan of Washington or New York.

Or don't, I am sure they need you even less as a fan then the Leafs do.

The other guy had a point. You are dead wrong. Teams like Washington and New York are in the right direction Toronto isn't by signing and trading for old vets. Watch NY will finish higher in the standings than Toronto. I'm calling it.

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The other guy had a point. You are dead wrong. Teams like Washington and New York are in the right direction Toronto isn't by signing and trading for old vets. Watch NY will finish higher in the standings than Toronto. I'm calling it.
OK, you call it. NY is your example of a team on the right path.

Well see I guess. But I highly doubt it. They pledged to go with youth and then staked up their team with European rejects from Pittsburgh.

Toronto didn't sign old Vets (Unless they sign Thomas) they signed three 30 year olds for less than 5 million. There was no trades for over the hill Vets.

Honestly pull your head out of your *** or do some research first.

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OK, you call it. NY is your example of a team on the right path.

Well see I guess. But I highly doubt it. They pledged to go with youth and then staked up their team with European rejects from Pittsburgh.

Toronto didn't sign old Vets (Unless they sign Thomas) they signed three 30 year olds for less than 5 million. There was no trades for over the hill Vets.

Honestly pull your head out of your *** or do some research first.
I wasn't referring to this years signings. I was referring to their recent history of trading picks and youth for old guys like Leetch, Francis, Wesley and signing players like Niewendyk.

My honest opinion of this years signings...Allison will be good, no doubt in my mind. Lindros will be aweful, and O'neill will be a 25 goal scorer. But they still are signing players that they don't need. I don't see how you can be optimistic about signing both Lindros and Allison. You don't need 3 #1 centres. They should have used Lindros and Czerkawski's money on a more successful winger such as Demitra or Palffy.

Also I'm sticking by my bold statement. NY with finish higher than Toronto.

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Kind of a selective, extreme argument that is not worth pursuing IMO.
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The Rangers have a very similar history, excluding this year. They did their best to stack up on Prospects in the last half of the previous season. It's not like Toronto can't, they just have a shot at doing some damage. The Rangers were done, no chance at making the playoffs and have been a joke. This is why they are rebuilding. Same with Washington. The Leafs wont' rebuild until were in a similar situation, the situation being out of the top 8 in the confrence.

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The Rangers have a very similar history, excluding this year. They did their best to stack up on Prospects in the last half of the previous season. It's not like Toronto can't, they just have a shot at doing some damage. The Rangers were done, no chance at making the playoffs and have been a joke. This is why they are rebuilding. Same with Washington. The Leafs wont' rebuild until were in a similar situation, the situation being out of the top 8 in the confrence.
I don't justify NY's history...The last 7 years have been embarrassing but Toronto needs to wake up and realize they can't only rely on signing vets (especially one's who have been known to be streaky Lindros, O'neill, Czerkawski). It hasn't worked for the last 10 years.

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Then we trade the farm for a washed up injury palgued vet and over pay him.Not good enough for toronto:Modin,russ courtnall(both won cups).
Where did Russ Courtnall ever win a Stanley Cup?

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I don't justify NY's history...The last 7 years have been embarrassing but Toronto needs to wake up and realize they can't only rely on signing vets (especially one's who have been known to be streaky Lindros, O'neill, Czerkawski). It hasn't worked for the last 10 years.
What were the other options? NYR traded away their guys for prospects, so they play young guys, and still suck to get more good prospects. This off-season was full of UFAs, nobody got any value for their players they traded. Why not grab some home-town guys who are high risk-high reward players and take a run. If they suck, they are on the way you want them to be. If they are middle of the pack, outside the playoffs, then they can trade some players and get some prospects to rebuild. It's not like saving money would've made a difference here. There's plenty to go around. The team is a dark-horse, who will hopefully show their worth through the season and playoffs, if not, we'll see what they do in the next off-season. I don't really think this was a good time to rebuild. The market wasn't open to trade for prospects.

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i do agree with the **** ups with the trades
but to say we wont win, i dunno about that

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What were the other options? NYR traded away their guys for prospects, so they play young guys, and still suck to get more good prospects. This off-season was full of UFAs, nobody got any value for their players they traded. Why not grab some home-town guys who are high risk-high reward players and take a run. If they suck, they are on the way you want them to be. If they are middle of the pack, outside the playoffs, then they can trade some players and get some prospects to rebuild. It's not like saving money would've made a difference here. There's plenty to go around. The team is a dark-horse, who will hopefully show their worth through the season and playoffs, if not, we'll see what they do in the next off-season. I don't really think this was a good time to rebuild. The market wasn't open to trade for prospects.
I personally like the Allison signing and if O'neill is a 2nd line RW sure...but save the Czerkawski and Lindros money and get a guy like Demitra or resign Mogilny because even if you grab high risk- high reward players, its useless if they play the same position. Signing both Lindros and Allison was Stupid. And you know who suffers...Stajan.

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Demitra makes over double what Chow and Lindros comined do. Mogilny only costs 50% more. Lindros or Stajan will likely play the wing.

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Every team does it. Naslund and St. Louis are examples. Bertuzzi can be thrown in as well. Lumme was probably the most hated Leaf on all of the teams he played on. Toronto has 3 players right now, who definately look NHL ready in Steen, Cola, and Wellwood. Tellqvist will probably back-up. Racine has looked good this pre-season, Kronwall has emerged as a prospect, and we have a highly touted goaltender in Rask. I'd say 95% of the people here are against dumping Antropov, JFJ has implemented a new emphasis on scouting. You get good prospects by being crap, and we haven't been crap for a fairly long time. The old NHL was based around filling holes and the best players available, we tried to do that. Was Nolan, Niewy, CuJo and other players injuries at key times to be expected? Realistically, Detroit, NJ and Colorado have been better "franchises" over the last decade. Possibly throw in Dallas. Not many more, it's a 30 team league. We haven't been perfect throughout the history, far from it, but the organization looks to be approaching it in the right direction.

The only thing I dislike about being a Leafs fan is putting up with pathetic fans like you who only look at the negatives and ***** about not winning. We have one of the most successful franchises in NHL history and have done very well of late. Stop crying.
Lame excuse. The Devils kept retooling--and winning. The Red Wings drafted terrific young talent. For a time so did the Avalanche.

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how about gretzky/gilmour?

Dont give me that,apathetic after 39 years your pathetic and part of the problem.Quinn has been harping for years,why you dont you just ask any leaf.You dont think the canadiens used to get favorable refing.Ever notice if domi even looks mean he gets a penalty?Your defense of the leafs was weak,im demanding excellence.We have to whatever we must to win now,we are still old or past our prime.So we have covo(maybe),steen and wellwood every other team has at least that.So far we have dumped leetch,roberts,nieuwy,fitzy,mogilny,nolan and picked up kharkanov,allison,lindros(huge ?),o'neil.Meanwhile belfour,sundin arent about to have breakthrough years now.This is musical chairs,the leaf fans are buying it again and the team didnt even come close last time 2 years ago.Now philly has forsberg,ottawa is still young,boston looks good and tampa bay won the cup with a young team.The only way we win a cup is if colorado trades us sakic for sundin,we get bertuzzi for free and r bourque comes out fo retirement.Ive been waiting since 67 i dont buy this bull anymore.Im boycotting till i believe toronto will win a cup.

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Kharkanov? Are you drunk? (and I ask this in all seriousness)

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