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09-25-2005, 09:24 PM
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are the Sens more skilled, faster, and even tougher then the leafs

I have a couple of questions. With roster changes, are the Sens more skilled, faster, and even tougher then the leafs. The common retort from Leaf fans is that there A team wasn't used. However, do Lindros and Allison-the two breakables- really add that much to their line up? Speed, no. Toughness, no. Skill, yes. The losses of Roberts, Leetch and Niewie I think are going to be too much to overcome.

Volkenchov, Chara and Meszarros put a few players through the boards. Neil, Fisher and McGratton tuned up a few Leafs.

And in the skill department, there is no comparison.


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yes but we can still speculate

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yes but we can still speculate
But the Leafs still don't know whose going to be making their team.

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Well... from a leafs perspective.

Its too tough to say, you guys have a solid team and if the leafs dont win the cup i'd love to see the sens win it,even though i'd never hear the end of it

Both teams have strong and weak parts to them...

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I have a couple of questions. With roster changes, are the Sens more skilled, faster, and even tougher then the leafs. The common retort from Leaf fans is that there A team wasn't used. However, do Lindros and Allison-the two breakables- really add that much to their line up? Speed, no. Toughness, no. Skill, yes. The losses of Roberts, Leetch and Niewie I think are going to be too much to overcome.

Volkenchov, Chara and Meszarros put a few players through the boards. Neil, Fisher and McGratton tuned up a few Leafs.

And in the skill department, there is no comparison.
All of Allison, Lindros and O'Neill are tough players and more than willing to engage physically. I dont think toughness is something you can give the edge to for the Sens (you can make a case for it being a wash), but speed and skill - yes.

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I think things like skill, speed and toughness are relatively easy to quantify. However, the Leafs have always have those intangible qualities that; the ones that are impossible to measure, but manifest in the big games...that magic. That for me is the question to be determined. Can the Sens have some of that magic? Although that magic hasn't won the leafs a cup in thirty years


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Not a fair comparison as of yet, but looking at the Sens team and after watching the game tonight, it is evident that a lot of clubs (not just TO) will have trouble coping with Ottawa's speed and talent level. The Leafs didn't ice a very strong team tonight but the guys that sat out would not have made that much of a difference speed wise. It looked like Toronto had much difficulty catching up to the Sens. Whether or not Ottawa is tougher is still up for debate, but there is no question that anyone will be pushing them around this year. Volchenkov looked great tonight

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if the leafs dont win the cup i'd love to see the sens win it,even though i'd never hear the end of it


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I'd say yes to more skilled and faster. Tougher is a maybe - we'll know after the eight regular season games.

That said, the one thing the Leafs have (as another poster eluded to) is intangibles. To me, the difference is that the Leafs have several players who grew up loving the team. These guys have more driving them to win in the playoffs than most players. I'm not sure that can take them all the way to Lord Stanley's Grail, but it definately makes a difference.

IMO - As long as Hasek holds up, Ottawa could win the cup this season.

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Yes, yes, and yes. Ottawa was physically tougher than Toronto in their last series, but it is the mental toughness that Ottawa lacked. It looks like Murray's Senators are on the right track to fix it thus far.

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I feel better now that Roberts, Niewendyk, Lalime, Bonk, and Martin are gone.

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I have a couple of questions. With roster changes, are the Sens more skilled, faster, and even tougher then the leafs. The common retort from Leaf fans is that there A team wasn't used. However, do Lindros and Allison-the two breakables- really add that much to their line up? Speed, no. Toughness, no. Skill, yes. The losses of Roberts, Leetch and Niewie I think are going to be too much to overcome.

Volkenchov, Chara and Meszarros put a few players through the boards. Neil, Fisher and McGratton tuned up a few Leafs.

And in the skill department, there is no comparison.
The Leafs' MVP didn't play - Ed Belfour. (and of course its the preseason)

Last playoffs, the Sens were the better team in every area except one - goal.

NOTE: Lindros,Allison, and O'Neill didn't play either. That said L & A are one A-Train hit away from retirement. If Volchenkov catches Lindros with his head down like he did with Wilm, big E might just stay down for the count.

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All of Allison, Lindros and O'Neill are tough players and more than willing to engage physically. I dont think toughness is something you can give the edge to for the Sens (you can make a case for it being a wash), but speed and skill - yes.
Lindros is a permiter player now. He can't risk the physical engagements anymore because of his mellon.

He'll be playing on the wing the rest of his career...end.of.story.

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