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09-27-2005, 01:04 PM
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Hinote/Bougner

This is not a rumor or a trade, just a question.

IMO the Avs are lacking a good 3rd line center (maclean could play 4th). Krog doesnt look like he'll make it, Bougner hasnt looked good at all yet, and it seems that we have quite a few grinders. I know there are Avs fans that think that Hinote is the heart and soul for the Avs, but it seems this year we have a couple of those players that fit that role (RW-Lappy, RW-McCormick).

Who do you think would bite on a possible Hinote/Bougner deal for a centerman?

Hinote makes $643,720 and Bougner $950,000. Total approx $1.5M. What 3rd line out there could be bought for $1M. (need to shave of some money for cap room)

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Who do you think would bite on a possible Hinote/Bougner deal for a centerman?

Hinote makes $643,720 and Bougner $950,000. Total approx $1.5M. What 3rd line out there could be bought for $1M. (need to shave of some money for cap room)

IMO you would be hard pressed to find any takes that would give us a 3rd line center, much less a cheaper 3rd line center for those two guys. While Hinote is a valuable piece, Boughner is not. Thats not to say we might not find a taker for Bob, but at best it will be a very low draft pick or prospect unless we are the ones taking on more payroll.

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thought so, thanks for your input. Hope we do move Bougner, waste of 950K.

Also I wish we had a few faster defencemen, other than Liles. Our D is somewhat solid but another quick D would be great. Only problem I do see is the lack of depth in the middle.

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thought so, thanks for your input. Hope we do move Bougner, waste of 950K.

Also I wish we had a few faster defencemen, other than Liles. Our D is somewhat solid but another quick D would be great. Only problem I do see is the lack of depth in the middle.
Not too worried about the depth at center...worst comes to worst we can slip Tanguay, Hinote, or even Konowalchuk if we're in a bind. And McLean has impressed thus far. I'm not expecting too much, just something better than Jeff Shantz.

I agree though that there's a bit of speed lacking on the blueline, especially with Foote gone, who was a vastly underrated skater. The main reason we were able to go with the AMP line and not much else on offense the past two seasons was because we had a defense jumping in on the play all the time. Even Skrastins showed an above-average ability at times--I'll never forget that OT winner against the Rangers, that was great.

Anyhow, we lost some speed with Foote and yes, even Skoula now gone and we're certainly not going to get that from Leschyshyn or Sauer. We sport more forward depth than before, but I still would like to see us look into either finding a way to keep Clark around or move someone to get a faster defender in here.

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Would love to see Hinote+Bougner for Jamie Lundmark from NYR (only makes 550K), but that is a pipe dream I think.

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Would love to see Hinote+Bougner for Jamie Lundmark from NYR (only makes 550K), but that is a pipe dream I think.
WHOA...no way. Lundmark's a bust. Hinote is at least a proven commodity.

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He put up some good numbers in the AHL last season, pretty young (25 I think), versitile, fast, and is cheap.


And playing for the Rangers, every player doesnt look like the live up to their potential

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We could probably get Eric Belanger from the Kings for the two.

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There is a rumor that it might be Krys Kolanos for Bougner.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx050927.html

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I don't see how that helps us.

It creates an even bigger logjam at center, and Krys Kolanos has not been the same player since his injury. He's no better than the 3rd and 4th liners we currently have anyhow.

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There is a rumor that it might be Krys Kolanos for Bougner.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx050927.html

i would take that and run. isn't Kolanos pretty untapped thus far? potential-wise?

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I think he had a bad bump to the head a few times and hasnt been the same, but I could be wrong but I do faintly remeber that.


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I think Mclean still has a shot at making opening roster.

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Maclean should defiantley make the roster, but who will be the other centermen?

Sakic > Turgeon > Maclean> ?


I know you can put another guy from the current lineup (Hinote or Lappy)in as a centermen, but do you really want to?

Something has to happen with Bougner, he has looked awful thus far.

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I sort of see the point with getting a higher falutin' 3rd line center, but still think we're a bit challenged scoring from the 2nd line (i.e. an elite winger).

I also could see more benefit in rolling the dice to get another excellent and YOUNG defenseman that may now be available for (I think) a 2nd or 3rd round compensation pick - Nick Boynton out of Boston. We'd have to sign him to an offer sheet to make things worthwhile

IF we were able to get Boynton, we could offset the loss of the pick/salary cap hit by moving Boughie or Sauer (or both?) to (e.g.) Buffalo for a decent pick/picks in return, and not lose Hinote. I still don't know why people are trying to move him.

In the real world not much of this is likely, as we'd be sitting ducks after taking on too much salary in Boynton and noone would give us much for the cap-clearing moves to compensate. Just an idea...

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Maclean should defiantley make the roster, but who will be the other centermen?

Sakic > Turgeon > Maclean> ?


I know you can put another guy from the current lineup (Hinote or Lappy)in as a centermen, but do you really want to?

Something has to happen with Bougner, he has looked awful thus far.
Is Konowalchuk deffinately set at a wing? He played a lot in the center in Washington. I wouldn't mind seeing him pivot the third line...but we'd be giving up a second line forward in doing so.

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Actually Kolanos was pretty impressive here finland, so i would trade him for Boughner (we could also save some money to trade deadline).

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I think Mclean still has a shot at making opening roster.
I don't think there's any doubt he will. Just not sure whether he's a 3rd or 4th liner.

Could we really get a young player with some upside for an old bruiser like Boughner? You have to at least consider that deal - even if Kolanos were a bust, it's not like we'd have been depending on Boogie next year anyway. I wouldn't mind taking that chance.

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i am pretty sure the yotes have 8 d jus like us and dont need boogie:

morris
tanabe
mara
hulse
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mcallister
ballard
spiller

and i am probably missing a guy or two

plus one has the 4th period ever and i mean everrrr got a trade right, they are horrible i rather listen to one of e klunds rumors than 4th..

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sabres are a better match for moving D for young guns

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09-27-2005, 06:07 PM
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The Yotes might take on Boughner simply for the veteren presence on what is otherwise still a young D. But the way I see it is the only way they do it is if we take on equal payroll in return or send a pick along with Bob, and to be honest they really don't have a bad contract they would want to ship us without asking for more than Boughner in return.

Avs Get:
Kolanos

Yotes Get:
Boughner
7th Round Pick(Calgary) (Sauve in the end)

Avs free up 400k in payroll and add some potential to the roster, hopefully Kolanos can make the club and play in the 4th line centers roll.


Sabres might also be worth a call

Avs Get:
Connolly 1.03 mill

Sabres Get:
Boughner 950k
Pick/Prospect(like a 4th/5th rounder or something)



But like the Yotes the move would be made for the veteren presence on the blueline, not simply for the D man.

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Tim Connolly!?!

Yuck!

He's not even making the Sabres this year, and we want him to be our third line center?

No thanks.

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I remember that penalty shot goal Kolanos scored on an enraged Roy. Hey, for that alone he might be worth the trade--maybe get us out of this shootout funk we seem to be in.

He does sport some speed and skill, but concussion-prone...not thrilled about that.

Still, we just need to get rid of Boughner. A conditional pick would do it for me.

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If I had to name a team I could see the Avs dealing Bob Boughner to for a conditional draft pick, it'd be the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Boughner played well there, was really liked by the fans and his teammates, and would at least provide some toughness and physicality to a rather soft Penguins blueline.

Just a hunch.

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If I had to name a team I could see the Avs dealing Bob Boughner to for a conditional draft pick, it'd be the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Boughner played well there, was really liked by the fans and his teammates, and would at least provide some toughness and physicality to a rather soft Penguins blueline.

Just a hunch.
Always have to mention Washington at a time like this.

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