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09-27-2005, 05:32 AM
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VANCOUVER/NY Proposal!!

Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Jagr and 1st rounder

New York gets: Cloutier, Cooke and Fedorov!

What you think?

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09-27-2005, 05:34 AM
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...And then we're 10 million over the salary cap.

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09-27-2005, 05:42 AM
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Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Jagr and 1st rounder

New York gets: Cloutier, Cooke and Fedorov!

What you think?
Value wise that is as far off as it can get. And of course there is the cap issue. Not gonna happen. Not even in fantasy land.


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09-27-2005, 06:54 AM
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the first for Cooke, Cloutier and Fedorov is too much. Then tossing in Lundqvisk is crazy. Adding Jagr with half his salary paid by the caps is just insane.

I hope you have tough skin, you're going to get absolutely reamed for the next couple of days.

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09-27-2005, 07:12 AM
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just the other day, I was thinking that one good thing about this new CBA is that people will actually have to put in more thought in their trade suggestions - like considering if it actually fits a team's salary cap.

maybe this would create more realistic trade suggestions... I guess I was wrong there... people still aren't considering salary caps when make trade suggestions.

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09-27-2005, 08:21 AM
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that is the most insane trade offer ive ever seen. i dont know what made you come up with that list of guys

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09-27-2005, 08:56 AM
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Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Jagr and 1st rounder

New York gets: Cloutier, Cooke and Fedorov!

What you think?
Horrible deal for the Rangers.

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09-27-2005, 08:58 AM
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It's not just a proposal... it's a proposal!!

And it's not just Fedorov... it's Fedorov!

And this isn't just a bad proposal... it's an AWFUL PROPOSAL!!!

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09-27-2005, 08:59 AM
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Horrible deal for the Rangers.
somehow I hope that there was a prioir trade and Vancouver got Segei Federov and that's not Fedor Federov in that proposal...

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09-27-2005, 09:03 AM
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Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Jagr and 1st rounder

New York gets: Cloutier, Cooke and Fedorov!

What you think?
I think the Rangers would counter with:

New York gets: Schneider, Naslund, and 1st Rounder

Vancouver gets: Weeks, Nieminen, and Lundmark!

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09-27-2005, 09:10 AM
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...And then we're 10 million over the salary cap.
Not really.

Jagr makes 4.8

Cooke and Cloutier: 3.95

Don't know what Federov and Lundqvist make.

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09-27-2005, 09:23 AM
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Not really.

Jagr makes 4.8

Cooke and Cloutier: 3.95

Don't know what Federov and Lundqvist make.
and that right there would have us over our cap.

trades like this wouldn't ever happen... terrible trade for the Rangers, and not a possible deal to even make for the canucks.

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09-27-2005, 09:43 AM
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It's not even possible.

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I think the Rangers would counter with:

New York gets: Schneider, Naslund, and 1st Rounder

Vancouver gets: Weeks, Nieminen, and Lundmark!

Noways Schneider SUCKS!!!

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09-27-2005, 10:34 AM
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i think nyr gets *****

no thx

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Noways Schneider SUCKS!!!
n a s l u n d

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Ok what if we change it a little bit so it will stay under the cap...

NY gets: Cloutier, Fedorov, Cooke

Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Tyutin, Nylander, 2X1st rounders!

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I don't think that's any better. Even Milbury would shun that deal.

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The catch is NEw York includes the rights to Messier in the deal so he can retire a Canuck.

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Ok what if we change it a little bit so it will stay under the cap...
No!

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Ok what if we change it a little bit so it will stay under the cap...

NY gets: Cloutier, Fedorov, Cooke

Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Tyutin, Nylander, 2X1st rounders!
...........

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09-27-2005, 11:17 AM
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Ok what if we change it a little bit so it will stay under the cap...

NY gets: Cloutier, Fedorov, Cooke

Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Tyutin, Nylander, 2X1st rounders!
why???

these trades are just plain bad.

Why would NY even think of dealing assets like Lundqvist, Tyutin or 1st rounders, when they are a rebuilding team?? the deal makes no sense.

Value wise, it's even more off...

Lundqvist is worth more than Cloutier...
Tyutin, or either of the 1sts are worth more than Cooke....
Fedorov isn't worth anything more than a 4th (more likely a 6th!).

There is no match here... the Rangers are in rebuild mode, and aren't going to move key future assets... the canucks are close to the cap, and have no need to move their vets at this stage... while Cooke's value maybe lower on the market, he is exactly what this team needs now - a guy that is a top PK guy and a defensive presense... we don't need more scoring or offensive playmaking (Nylander)... our top 2 lines are set, and thanks to Cooke, so is our 3rd. Our offense is fine... and Cooke's contribution on defense is more important to this team than what Nylander can provide.

Trades actually have to make some sense... otherwise it's just throwing names out there, like this proposal, and there's no reason for either team to do it.

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Ok what if we change it a little bit so it will stay under the cap...

NY gets: Cloutier, Fedorov, Cooke

Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Tyutin, Nylander, 2X1st rounders!
When I said that Cloutier, Fedorov and Cooke combined aren't worth a Rangers first rounder, I wasn't kidding. The 5 most valuable things in that trade are the two first rounders, lundqvist, Tyutin and Nylander. The 3 least valuable are Cloutier, Fedorov and Cooke. It's like offering a guy 3 1$ bills for 5 10$ bills.

Put some explanation to it, why do you think this is even remotely fair?

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09-27-2005, 12:01 PM
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Ok what if we change it a little bit so it will stay under the cap...

NY gets: Cloutier, Fedorov, Cooke

Vancouver gets: Lundqvist, Tyutin, Nylander, 2X1st rounders!
This is honestly the first trade proposal I've ever laughed out loud reading in my 6+ yrs of reading this website. If this happened, Sather would be found dead in the morning, Canuck fans would be praising the immortal genius of Nonis, and 28 other teams would be laughing and crying, wishing they could have offered some rediculous offer to the Rangers for their gems.

Seriously, you could easily argue that every asset NY gives up is individually worth more than any of the assets they are receiving. Either of their first rounders is worth more than Cloutier, Fedorov and Cooke combined, imo. The top 4 assets in that trade are both firsts, Lundqvist and Tyutin. You could even make a very good argument that Nylander is the 5th best asset.

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hes just baiting you's

dont give him any attention, let him be the fool

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