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10-12-2005, 10:38 AM
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An answer for our top 6? (trade proposal)

Alexander Semin may be done in Russia. He seems to have severely pissed off the Washington Capitals, and while he may be a bit of a headcase, it might be worth taking a chance on him if we could acquire him from the Caps.

"The Times quotes an unnamed Capitals official as saying even if Semin is available, they're not sure they want him on the team under any circumstance.

Semin is under contract to the Capitals for two more seasons. His options outside of the NHL are limited due to the suspension, which is recognized by the IIHF"

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=139495&hubname=nhl

I'm sure there would be other teams interested, but I'm also pretty sure that we could entice the caps with a nice package to acquire him. For example:

Ryan Stone for Alexander Semin

I would have to think they'd be pretty darn interested in that sort of a deal. If that was not enough, I would also be willing to throw in the rights to Aleksey Morozov or Milan Kraft. Morozov will be a UFA next July, but there will probably be several teams interested. If the Caps held his rights, and exclusive negotiating rights till July 1st, I'm sure they could get a deal done. And even if we didn't want to part with Stone, we could still probably put together a decent deal including the rights to those two and some other prospects/picks.

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10-12-2005, 10:41 AM
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I'd say no.

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Also a big no on that one. I'd prefer to use some of our prospects and see what they can do in the nhl.

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Semin is a potential Kovalev-type player. Stone is what, a Jason Wiemer at best?

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Semin is a potential Kovalev-type player. Stone is what, a Jason Wiemer at best?
Yep IMO he looks like Zherdev. I would make that trade in a heartbeat.

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I would take a chance on Semin.

With Gonchar, Malkin and Koltsov in town, maybe he would be happy here.

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I'd do Semin for Stone, no questions asked.

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Now we just need to get Borro the gm job in Washington....

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I would also be willing to throw in the rights to Aleksey Morozov
If your giving them Morozov, then make them take Scuderi too!

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No way in hell.

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I'm more concerned about our blue line to even think about a 6th forward. They may be a hair short on depth at the forward position right now, but there are bigger concerns.

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I don't like the idea of acquiring one-dimensional forwards, especially when it's clear the team has much bigger needs.

However, Semin is definitely worth more than Stone, so I'd be forced to make this trade if Semin was in fact coming back.

Then maybe trade him for a d-man.

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I'd rather try to pry Mike Cammalleri out of L.A. He's currently having issues with coach Murray.

Cammalleri can play either C or RW, so I think he fits in perfectly.

Semin doesn't fit ideally because he plays the position (LW) we would like to place Mario, Malone and LeClair in a perfect world.

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Uh.. how about if we aquire anyone, its a D man?

At any rate, I'm not too concerned right now and I think our team can get it done with the personal they have, so I'm not looking for the pens to make a trade. They just need to sharpen up and get some chemistry going.

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I still don't understand why defense is more of an issue than offense right now. One of the players penciled in this off-season isn't on the team (Malkin), and the team has scored 11 goals in four games (six of which came in one game). They have lost three games in which they scored 2, 2 and 1 goals.

If we're already talking about improving the D, why not the O?

I will repeat what I mentioned in another thread...with this team, it will be easier to fix the offense than the defense. That said, this organization has internal options on D (Ryan Whitney, specifically) that they just don't have on offense (unless somebody knows how to smuggle Russian hockey players in the year 2005).

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Stone for Semin....?

big fat no from the Caps

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I still don't understand why defense is more of an issue than offense right now. One of the players penciled in this off-season isn't on the team (Malkin), and the team has scored 11 goals in four games (six of which came in one game). They have lost three games in which they scored 2, 2 and 1 goals.

If we're already talking about improving the D, why not the O?

I will repeat what I mentioned in another thread...with this team, it will be easier to fix the offense than the defense. That said, this organization has internal options on D (Ryan Whitney, specifically) that they just don't have on offense (unless somebody knows how to smuggle Russian hockey players in the year 2005).

Anyone can just look at the Boston game to realize it doesnt matter how much you score, if you can't keep the puck out of your own net. The pens blew 2 2-goal leads, if you have already forgotten.

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I still don't understand why defense is more of an issue than offense right now. One of the players penciled in this off-season isn't on the team (Malkin), and the team has scored 11 goals in four games (six of which came in one game). They have lost three games in which they scored 2, 2 and 1 goals.

If we're already talking about improving the D, why not the O?

I will repeat what I mentioned in another thread...with this team, it will be easier to fix the offense than the defense. That said, this organization has internal options on D (Ryan Whitney, specifically) that they just don't have on offense (unless somebody knows how to smuggle Russian hockey players in the year 2005).
Because the offense is clearly better than the defense. It's not even debatable.

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Because the offense is clearly better than the defense. It's not even debatable.

Ever argued with an evangelical christian? ANYTHING is debatable.

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Because the offense is clearly better than the defense. It's not even debatable.
But the in-house solutions to both problems are also not debatable...we have defensemen down on the farm, and one of which is probably the best defenseman in the organization (including the NHLers) in Whitney. Up front, there's Christensen (who probably deserves a look) and not much else right now.

Also, is it debatable that this team can fix its offensive problem well before they can fix their defensive problems?

So, fix it then. That's all I'm saying. Bring in another top six forward and for the rest of the season all other changes will be made with defense in mind.

If the solution is Christensen, then call him up. That's all I'm saying. LeClair, Koltsov, Talbot, Murley, Roy, Vandenbussche and Pirjeta are NOT the solution to the second scoring line problem.

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We are still short organizationally on a legitimate top line scoring winger. Semin would fit this bill perfectly. I like Stone but it is much easier to replace a guy like Stone than a guy like Semin.

And for Caps fans who say no to Stone for Semin, I said we could throw in more such as the rights to Morozov and/or the rights to Kraft, or the rights to Sergei Anshakov.

Stone+Anshakov+Morozov/Kraft should be more than enough to get the deal done if the Caps have soured on him as much as they have.

Eric Fehr is a HUGE part of the Caps future. Getting an ex linemate with whom he had so much chemistry would be a very wise move for the Caps.

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We are still short organizationally on a legitimate top line scoring winger.
i don't think so. palffy, recchi, malone and leclair as the top 4 wingers sure beat a 40 year old lemieux and a 18 year old crosby at center, particularly at faceoffs. acquiring another center would allow lemieux to shift back to the wing, where he's more comfortable at this stage of his career.

i'd rather have a pretty solid 3rd line checking center than an enigmatic russian one-dimensional winger. what's to say semin wouldn't avoid north america for his next organization like he did to the caps.

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We are still short organizationally on a legitimate top line scoring winger. Semin would fit this bill perfectly. I like Stone but it is much easier to replace a guy like Stone than a guy like Semin.

And for Caps fans who say no to Stone for Semin, I said we could throw in more such as the rights to Morozov and/or the rights to Kraft, or the rights to Sergei Anshakov.

Stone+Anshakov+Morozov/Kraft should be more than enough to get the deal done if the Caps have soured on him as much as they have.

Eric Fehr is a HUGE part of the Caps future. Getting an ex linemate with whom he had so much chemistry would be a very wise move for the Caps.
Stone and other, older players who, like Semin arent playing in the NHL this season is not nearly enough. You say it yourself..."it is much easier to replace a guy like Stone than a guy like Semin"....dont you think that goes both ways? The Caps have a glut of potential 3rd line centers.....why do they want to add another at the cost of an elite talent? What you are proposing is a classic quantity for quality trade.....

If Fehr makes it in the NHL it will be as a scoring line player/PP specialist....I have never seen Stone projected to be a player to fill those roles. There are countless players who put up good numbers in juniors who never made it or fill checking lines. From what I have read thats what Stone projects at the next level.....and again, the Caps have plenty of that

The only way these two teams trade with Semin involved is if the Pens send back one of the 3 D prospects......I know you dont want to hear it, but thats it. I can see why you would like to make the trade you suggest.....but look at it from the Caps side.....3 years from now when Semin is scoring 40 goals a season and the Caps have, at best, a 3rd line center who can play on the 2nd line in a pinch (and most likely he turns into a solid checker with PK ability) and 2 guys that are no longer with the team

again...this whole Fehr/Stone reunion is way overblown.....the W is a far cry from the NHL and the likely wont play on the same lines anyway

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1 Dman won't help our defensive struggles. Getting Semin would be a great thing. He's a great prospect and the pens currently don't have any top 2 line wing prospects. If they get rid of Stone, they still have like 5 other solid prospects of the same style for the same role. I rather give them kraft or morozov or nemec, or all 3. It's unlikely that any of those 3 will suit up for the pens anyway, so might as well make them useful somehow.

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