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10-07-2003, 07:27 PM
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Question about Legwand.

Since you guys follow your team more then I do, you should know more about your players, I picked Legwand in my yahoo 1-year fantasy league, my question is, what do you guys think his point totals will be like this year? will he break out and pass 70 points? I assume he's still Nashville's top line center right? and how has he looked in the preseason games?

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Since you guys follow your team more then I do, you should know more about your players, I picked Legwand in my yahoo 1-year fantasy league, my question is, what do you guys think his point totals will be like this year? will he break out and pass 70 points? I assume he's still Nashville's top line center right? and how has he looked in the preseason games?

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if he stays healthy, 70 points is probably the least Legwand will pull in. Our team, as a whole, is a lot better than last year's....and with better breakout passing, Legwand will get a lot more opportunity to do what he does best...stickhandle\make plays. i'd say that if he stays healthy...28 g\45 assists is not at all unfeasible. he will center the first line, which to start the season will be johansson\legwand\walker. it's hard to say about the preseason, as he didn't really play, due to a hip pointer...but in the final game of the preseason, he scored on beautiful play from johansson that osgood never had a chance on.

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It was a sweet goal, just a quick almost one-timing wrister over the glove of Osgood, just a laser. All those things dulzhok said Legwand couldn't do

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It was a sweet goal, just a quick almost one-timing wrister over the glove of Osgood, just a laser. All those things dulzhok said Legwand couldn't do
Acutally, I said that Legwand had decent wrist shot when he has the space to get it off. For example, on breakaways, or in this case, when Johansson feeds him a beautiful pass and he's all alone with opportunity to score. Johansson definitely gets the creativity award on that play.

Is this going to be a routine occurence with you guys? Everytime Legwand scores you come on the board and type "oh, look dulzhok, legwand scored. it was almost a one-timer. you are stupid." All because I said I don't think that Legwand will turn into a dominant offensive force like Mike Modano? Well, have fun. Maybe after about 30-40 times, I will start to believe that Legwand has dominant offensive abilities.

I also found it interesting what Scott Walker said the other day. He said that no one on his line (Legwand, Johansson, or him) was a true line-breaker, but that they just played well together. So Legwand isnt' a line breaker? Oh Scott, you are stupid and ignorant. Are you watching the same game that we're watching? Oh yeah, you're just playing on a line with him. That's no way you can actually get an indication of Lewgand's "dominant" offensive abilities. Try watching the game, loser.

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Dulzhok if you weren't so critical of just about every player on the team, I think more people would cut you some slack. However, you are critical, and undervalue all of our prospects/players.

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Acutally, I said that Legwand had decent wrist shot when he has the space to get it off. For example, on breakaways, or in this case, when Johansson feeds him a beautiful pass and he's all alone with opportunity to score. Johansson definitely gets the creativity award on that play.

Is this going to be a routine occurence with you guys? Everytime Legwand scores you come on the board and type "oh, look dulzhok, legwand scored. it was almost a one-timer. you are stupid." All because I said I don't think that Legwand will turn into a dominant offensive force like Mike Modano? Well, have fun. Maybe after about 30-40 times, I will start to believe that Legwand has dominant offensive abilities.

I also found it interesting what Scott Walker said the other day. He said that no one on his line (Legwand, Johansson, or him) was a true line-breaker, but that they just played well together. So Legwand isnt' a line breaker? Oh Scott, you are stupid and ignorant. Are you watching the same game that we're watching? Oh yeah, you're just playing on a line with him. That's no way you can actually get an indication of Lewgand's "dominant" offensive abilities. Try watching the game, loser.


Do you feel better now???

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Dulzhok if you weren't so critical of just about every player on the team, I think more people would cut you some slack. However, you are critical, and undervalue all of our prospects/players.
I'm not being critical, I'm just giving you my honest opinion. I guess you would rather me go around say "Tootoo will be rookie of year!!!!" "Lewgand will outscore Modano this year!!!!" "Even though I have only seen Zidlicky play a couple of preseason games, he will be the next Brain Rafalaski, FOR SURE!!!!!!"

That's just not me. I will give my honest opinion.

I have said many times that I think Legwand is a good player, but honestly, I don't think he will ever be dominant. After saying that, people get pissed off, so I go into detail why I think the way I do. People keep bringing it up. So it appears as though that's all I ever talk about. Other than that, I don't really know what you are talking when you say I'm so critical of every player on the team. I have said that Arkhipov has excellent offensive ability, but honestly, I don't know if he has the passion and battling-mindset to fully maximize his abilities. As I said, hopefully he will find "the fire." It's not being critical, it's giving an honest opinion.

Apparently, you just aren't reading all my posts. I recently said that I think Johansson could score 30 goals if he stays healthy. I said that Hartnell could put up 20+ goals if given the right ice time. Etc, etc.

But if you want, I will lie from now on. I will say that Zidlicky will be the next Brian Rafalski, eventhough I have only seen him a couple of times. I will say that Legwand will be next Mike Modano, when that's not what I really think. I will say that Tootoo will be the rookie of year, when that's not what I really think. I will say that Arkhipov is a battler like Scott Stevens, when I really think his passion right now is on the low end of the register.

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I'm not being critical, I'm just giving you my honest opinion. I guess you would rather me go around say "Tootoo will be rookie of year!!!!" "Lewgand will outscore Modano this year!!!!" "Even though I have only seen Zidlicky play a couple of preseason games, he will be the next Brain Rafalaski, FOR SURE!!!!!!"

That's just not me. I will give my honest opinion.

I have said many times that I think Legwand is a good player, but honestly, I don't think he will ever be dominant. After saying that, people get pissed off, so I go into detail why I think the way I do. People keep bringing it up. So it appears as though that's all I ever talk about. Other than that, I don't really know what you are talking when you say I'm so critical of every player on the team. I have said that Arkhipov has excellent offensive ability, but honestly, I don't know if he has the passion and battling-mindset to fully maximize his abilities. As I said, hopefully he will find "the fire." It's not being critical, it's giving an honest opinion.

But if you want, I will lie from now on. I will say that Zidlicky will be the next Brian Rafalski, eventhough I have only seen him a couple of times. I will say that Legwand will be next Mike Modano, when that's not what I really think. I will say that Tootoo will be the rookie of year, when I really have no basis of saying that. I will say that Arkhipov is a battler like Scott Stevens, when I really think his passion right now is low.
no one is looking for blind optimism. that's not how you're irritating everyone. in fact...in my opinion....that would be just as annoying as what you're doing. i've long had a hard time accepting anything that "securitybob" over on the np.com board says...because he decorates everything with roses and balloons. there's a such thing as being realistic...which i think most of us....myself, hipcheck, triggr, cssstranger, enoch, etc etc..are. you're NOT being realistic. you're, before even really seeing the team...sentencing them to some kind of 15 win, 300 ga, 160 gf season...in which the other teams offenses routinely blow by our "inexperienced defense" and legwand is lucky to get 15 goals. maybe that's your "honest opinion," but you need to be able to back it up with some hard facts...because...so far...all the evidence suggests you're wrong. worse yet...in the FACE of being proven wrong, you'll concede nothing. i'm not trying to unfairly single you out, it's just that it's getting hard for people to take you seriously...when you NEVER have a positive thing to say. no one likes a doomsayer...especially one that plays a broken record.

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no one is looking for blind optimism. that's not how you're irritating everyone. in fact...in my opinion....that would be just as annoying as what you're doing. i've long had a hard time accepting anything that "securitybob" over on the np.com board says...because he decorates everything with roses and balloons. there's a such thing as being realistic...which i think most of us....myself, hipcheck, triggr, cssstranger, enoch, etc etc..are. you're NOT being realistic. you're, before even really seeing the team...sentencing them to some kind of 15 win, 300 ga, 160 gf season...in which the other teams offenses routinely blow by our "inexperienced defense" and legwand is lucky to get 15 goals. maybe that's your "honest opinion," but you need to be able to back it up with some hard facts...because...so far...all the evidence suggests you're wrong. worse yet...in the FACE of being proven wrong, you'll concede nothing. i'm not trying to unfairly single you out, it's just that it's getting hard for people to take you seriously...when you NEVER have a positive thing to say. no one likes a doomsayer...especially one that plays a broken record.
Well, I just add to my previous post, you're just paying attention to what you want to pay attention to, as I have recently said that I think Johansson can score 30 goals if he stays healthy, Harntell could put up 20+ with the right ice time, Erat will bounce back if he's given the right opportunity, etc, etc.

Concerning the defense, none of us know what's going to happen over the first 20 real NHL games. It's speculation from all of us. I have been very adamant about adding another reliable, experienced NHL defenseman. I think you know my reasoning. I just don't forsee the starting roster of Brookbank-Timonen-Eaton-Schanbel-Zidlicky-unpracticed York as a reliable NHL defensive corps. I see that group as EXTREMELY questionable. You might say, "Oh, well we are having injury problems right now. That is beyond our control." I have expressed concern for defensive injuries from the beginning. Lastly, you are putting words in my mouth when you say that I've "sentenced them to some kind of 15 win, 300 ga, 160 gf season." That’s the thing that’s most frustrating on the a message board, when people making up crap. I have expressed major concern for our defense, and like I said, all we can do right now is speculate. And yes, I will continue to honestly speculate.

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Maybe I should rephrase my statement and say it is the pessimistic views you take. As NMK says, blind optimism is not needed, but a purely pessimistic approach, which is what I get from the majority of your posts, makes people critical of you when they think you are wrong. Honestly, sometimes I wonder how you are a Predator fan with the vibe I get from your posts. Does this make sense? Sometimes your posts have a lot of valid points, but the pessimisn or negativety in them turn people off. Mix it up a little

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I don't think you are going to see us regulars resort to name calling and such childishness. The worst that may happen is you might get on some ignore lists.
I think if the board hadn't lost them you would see most of us candid about the way the team folded after Legwand's injury last year. Nobody tried to sugarcoat that. I still say let's see what this team can do. All of us have a fairly small sample at best to judge by. That will change really soon since the Preds will be tested right out of the gate.

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We win Game 4 on a one-timer slapshot by Legwand!


Sorry dulzhok

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We win Game 4 on a one-timer slapshot by Legwand!


Sorry dulzhok
And he scores the game tying goal with a quick wrister from the slot in traffic

In fairness to Dulzhok, he isn't all negative. He likes Arkhipov from what I gather. The problem is, the things he's negative about (our defense, Legwand, Tootoo), he's quite doom and gloom.

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And he scores the game tying goal with a quick wrister from the slot in traffic

In fairness to Dulzhok, he isn't all negative. He likes Arkhipov from what I gather. The problem is, the things he's negative about (our defense, Legwand, Tootoo), he's quite doom and gloom.
First off, I've never been gloom and doom on Legwand. I said he's a good player, just not a dominant player. Once I said that, the onslaught begins. I have to explain in detail why I don't think he's a dominant player. People like Triggerman bring up my comments on Legwand every other thread. If they don't like to hear my opinion on the matter, it's funny that they bring it up all the damn time.

As for the defense, I do have real concerns about the experience factor and potential for injuries. Sorry if you don’t like my opinion. Yes, I like the potential of guys like Kloucek, Hamhuis, Zidlicky, and to a lesser extent Schabel. But I don't think we should bank our entire season on these rookies coming into the league and living up to their potential right away. It's just my opinion, sorry if you don't like it.

As for Tootoo, I am a huge fan. When I say that I think he may need some time in Milwaukee, people respond like, "Oh, dude, you are so doom and gloom about everybody" and "I guess you've never seen Tootoo play." etc etc. Classic cases of over-reaction, jumping to conclusions, and immaturity.

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First off, I've never been gloom and doom on Legwand. I said he's a good player, just not a dominant player. Once I said that, the onslaught begins. I have to explain in detail why I don't think he's a dominant player. People like Triggerman bring up my comments on Legwand every other thread. If they don't like to hear my opinion on the matter, it's funny that they bring it up all the damn time.

As for the defense, I do have real concerns about the experience factor and potential for injuries. Sorry if you don’t like my opinion. Yes, I like the potential of guys like Kloucek, Hamhuis, Zidlicky, and to a lesser extent Schabel. But I don't think we should bank our entire season on these rookies coming into the league and living up to their potential right away. It's just my opinion, sorry if you don't like it.

As for Tootoo, I am a huge fan. When I say that I think he may need some time in Milwaukee, people respond like, "Oh, dude, you are so doom and gloom about everybody" and "I guess you've never seen Tootoo play." etc etc. Classic cases of over-reaction, jumping to conclusions, and immaturity.
You're too damn sensative man, I was just bagging on you a little, good god, didn't know it was going to hurt you feelings.

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You're too damn sensative man, I was just bagging on you a little, good god, didn't know it was going to hurt you feelings.
Oh yes, I'm so hurt Please quit hurting my feelings you big bully.

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First off, I've never been gloom and doom on Legwand. I said he's a good player, just not a dominant player. Once I said that, the onslaught begins. I have to explain in detail why I don't think he's a dominant player. People like Triggerman bring up my comments on Legwand every other thread. If they don't like to hear my opinion on the matter, it's funny that they bring it up all the damn time.

As for the defense, I do have real concerns about the experience factor and potential for injuries. Sorry if you don’t like my opinion. Yes, I like the potential of guys like Kloucek, Hamhuis, Zidlicky, and to a lesser extent Schabel. But I don't think we should bank our entire season on these rookies coming into the league and living up to their potential right away. It's just my opinion, sorry if you don't like it.

As for Tootoo, I am a huge fan. When I say that I think he may need some time in Milwaukee, people respond like, "Oh, dude, you are so doom and gloom about everybody" and "I guess you've never seen Tootoo play." etc etc. Classic cases of over-reaction, jumping to conclusions, and immaturity.

If you explain your opinions this way, you will win everyone over to yourside. Your opinions line up with most of ours.

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If you explain your opinions this way, you will win everyone over to yourside. Your opinions line up with most of ours.
Honestly, it's not my goal to have my opinions line up with "most of yours" or "to win people over." My purpose is to post what I think. That's the point of this kind of thing anyway. Anyway, what I posted previously was not any different from what I've posted all along. I may have gone into greater detail and been more adamant, but "the gist" is the same.

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