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10-17-2005, 09:22 AM
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Richards - wow.

I have been following Richards and Carter since the Flyers drafted them a couple years ago but unfortunately haven't been able to watch them play. I have to say after watching Richards for his first 5 games in the NHL if he continues to progress as expected he will be one heck of a player. What has really impressed me the most is his speed and passing ability.

Call me crazy but I think he might be the best passer on the Flyers not named Forsberg. He keeps his head up and makes some amazing crisp passes right on the tape.

I always read about him being the hard worker, team leader, good all around game, etc. but I wasn't expecting his skill level to be as high. In the Isles game he had an amazing play where with one hand on the stick he threw a pass off the boards to himself, skated around the defender and as he drew the other defender to him he hit Savage with a perfect pass resulting in a breakaway but Savage hit the post/crossbar. Earlier in the game from the slot he faked a shot, froze Snow and shoveled a beatiful little pass down to Zus on the goal line for an empty netter.

The most amazing thing is that many that have watched both Carter and Richards play have said that Carters skill is actually better than Richards. It's going to be pleasure to watch these guys for many years to come. It's nice to see the Flyers with some good productive young players in their lineup...

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10-17-2005, 10:11 AM
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Call me crazy but I think he might be the best passer on the Flyers not named Forsberg. He keeps his head up and makes some amazing crisp passes right on the tape.
I think thats spot on. His greatest asset, like most great players, is his vision

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I will gladly say I told you so - Richards is a better prospect than Carter.

And yes, Steen and Richards are very comparable prospects.

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I will gladly say I told you so - Richards is a better prospect than Carter.

And yes, Steen and Richards are very comparable prospects.
After 5 games maybe but lets see after 5 years. This is a mararthon, not a sprint.

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I agree that Carter is the type of player that would probably blossom later, but that being said, I still think he was mucho overrated, and he could end up being the next Chad Kilger.

This isn't anti-Flyers bias, though. I love Richards. This guy is a good one. Reminds me a little bit of Dougie Gilmour.

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10-17-2005, 11:45 AM
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I agree that Carter is the type of player that would probably blossom later, but that being said, I still think he was mucho overrated, and he could end up being the next Chad Kilger.

This isn't anti-Flyers bias, though. I love Richards. This guy is a good one. Reminds me a little bit of Dougie Gilmour.
I think calling Carter overrated is WAAAYY premature at this point and time. It's 5 games in and there's more than a few reasons for Carters slow start. Carter is a rookie, he's been injured, he's had a major illness which caused him to lose strength and weight and they experimented a game or two at a totally new position. Give the kid a break.

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10-17-2005, 11:57 AM
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fair enough.

but I called him overrated before the season started.

some excuses have been made about his less than elite scoring stats in junior....but the thing I look for in junior scoring is pretty simple:

certain players improve their scoring significantly after getting drafted. certain players don't.

Jeff carter didn't.


anyways, this thread is about Richards....so that's enough of me sidetracking it.

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Richards is a better NHL player than Carter, right now. However, Jeff Carter is still the better prospect. It's nice to see players doing well after five games, but in the grand scheme of things it means very little. At this point, Tomas Kaberle is second in the NHL in assists. Is that going to last all year? No chance. At this point, Jeff Carter is still trying to find his place on the team and on the ice. Is that going to last all year? Nope. Things that happen early, specifically as early as five games, don't mean that much. As someone coined earlier, it's marathon and not a sprint, and I think in the end Carter will be the superior player. His skill set, talent, and potential are all higher than Richards', yet Richards' quick adaptation to the NHL has made us all forget that. That's probably because most NHL fans have extremely short attention spans, but that's another topic for another thread entirely. Simply put, Jeff Carter is not a bust and he is not overrated, or any other nonsense talk like that. There is reason why scouting agencies were so high on him, and still are.

Anyway, yeah Richards has been strong. As far as prospects go, Richards is a pretty safe bet. I would be willingly to say that he's an extremely quick learner and is very good at adapting to new leagues, and at this point I would already say he's a top six player. I also agree that he's a very good passer; perhaps not because such raw passing skills (like Forsberg) but perhaps because he can see the play develop before it actually does. Great on ice vision is something that can't be taught, but he has it. His offensive skills are underrated; I think he'll be a 70-point player once fully developed.

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Great on ice vision is something that can't be taught, but he has it.
Absolutely, you either have it or you don't. I just think Richards was as prepared for the NHL as you can really be.

Carter has it, even if it hasn't manifested yet on the NHL level.

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fair enough.

but I called him overrated before the season started.

some excuses have been made about his less than elite scoring stats in junior....but the thing I look for in junior scoring is pretty simple:

certain players improve their scoring significantly after getting drafted. certain players don't.

Jeff carter didn't.


anyways, this thread is about Richards....so that's enough of me sidetracking it.
Did you by chance get to watch him in the World Juniors?

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Where are they both playing now.. in terms of which line and with whom?

Are either getting special teams time?

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Where are they both playing now.. in terms of which line and with whom?

Are either getting special teams time?
Richards has been playing with Handzus and Savage last game quite a bit. Carter was with Patrick Sharp quite a bit with others rotating in like Primeau, Brashear and Sim.

Richards has been a regular on the PK, but the last game the Isles were in the box so much, that pretty much everyone got some PP time.

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Someone over at O&B found this article....

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/

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fair enough.

but I called him overrated before the season started.

some excuses have been made about his less than elite scoring stats in junior....but the thing I look for in junior scoring is pretty simple:

certain players improve their scoring significantly after getting drafted. certain players don't.

Jeff carter didn't.




anyways, this thread is about Richards....so that's enough of me sidetracking it.

He was arguably the best player at the last world jrs. and led the phantoms in points in the calder cup finals...so I'd say yes he has gotten alot better after being drafted.

I have said for aa long time I like Richards better, but Carter does and will in the future be the more skilled player.

Richards has tons of untapped skill but his game is very different, you might call him the ultimate utility player. He has great vision, good on faceoffs, great defensively, has speed and can lay a nice hit...I see him being a smaller but more productive offensively version of Primeau.

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Todd Harvey looked great at the world juniors as well, back in his day.

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Todd Harvey looked great at the world juniors as well, back in his day.
Yeah and Harvey and Carter are comparable right...

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I agree that Carter is the type of player that would probably blossom later, but that being said, I still think he was mucho overrated, and he could end up being the next Chad Kilger.

This isn't anti-Flyers bias, though. I love Richards. This guy is a good one. Reminds me a little bit of Dougie Gilmour.
Come on - Chad Kilger sucks. Let's not say Carter is going to suck after he plays five games.

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Yeah and Harvey and Carter are comparable right...
harvey was picked higher than carter, actually.

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harvey was picked higher than carter, actually.
in 1993.....

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harvey was picked higher than carter, actually.
I meant they way they play...

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harvey was picked higher than carter, actually.
Draft position = most useless statistic ever.

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I will gladly say I told you so - Richards is a better prospect than Carter.

And yes, Steen and Richards are very comparable prospects.
Hey, zeke, at what point were Antropov and Thornton supposed to be comparable, again?

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Hey, zeke, at what point were Antropov and Thornton supposed to be comparable, again?
Interesting to mention Thornton in this debate. I feel that as fairly similar stylistically players, Carter will have a very similar development pattern. A very slow start as his body develops to allow him to play his style of play in the NHL where the opponents are bigger and stronger.

This is not to imply that they will be on the same level talent wise, purely a comment about developmental pattern.

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Interesting to mention Thornton in this debate. I feel that as fairly similar stylistically players, Carter will have a very similar development pattern. A very slow start as his body develops to allow him to play his style of play in the NHL where the opponents are bigger and stronger.

This is not to imply that they will be on the same level talent wise, purely a comment about developmental pattern.
well... Thornton is a passer and Carter is a shooter... i agree that frame wise they are somewhat similar. Carter is definitely struggling a little bit with the physical aspect, but i think that has more to do with the mono-related issues. Hitch said in an interview the other day that he thinks he's only about 75%.

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