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10-17-2005, 10:32 PM
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Puck in face: Another 2 close calls

Sundin, out for 6 weeks

Ricci, pretty face broken by puck, missed a few games

Holmstrom and Draper both struck in face by puck. Draper's injury near eye, fortunatly not serious.

If I'm not mistakken, a couple other close calls with pucks or sticks in the last few weeks as well.

Enforce visors now, before someone goes blind.

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10-17-2005, 10:34 PM
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Sundin, out for 6 weeks

Ricci, pretty face broken by puck, missed a few games

Holmstrom and Draper both struck in face by puck. Draper's injury near eye, fortunatly not serious.

If I'm not mistakken, a couple other close calls with pucks or sticks in the last few weeks as well.

Enforce visors now, before someone goes blind.
Ricci had a pretty face? I thought the guy was quite ugly.

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Torres I think, he got hit in the face the other day against Calgary. He was low to the ice though, but still, he got opened up pretty good.

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Maybe grandfather them in.

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Ricci had a pretty face? I thought the guy was quite ugly.
I left this out

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It's coming. Just too many things happening not to. Grandfathering being the most logical. But it got me thinking, the rookies coming in, it seems like most of them are wearing them and adding them into volunteers (epecially since incidents are getting frequent), maybe visors will become mandatory without even having to enforce it.

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Remember when Michel Goulet went head-first into the boards at the Old Forum and effectively ended his career? That marked the end of the old "Jofa" Gretzky model helmet, which was basically a useless piece of equipment.

It seems like something even more serious has to happen for the league and its players to "get it". As serious as Berard's injury was, he is back playing with one eye...I guess even that doesn't scare the bejesus out of everyone. It's really sad.

Maybe it's time a maverick owner took a stand on the visors and traded away all players who didn't abide by company policy? Somebody has to get the ball rolling on an issue like this.

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What about their necks!??!?! They could get hit in the neck and die!!! Enforce neck guards now.

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On OTR (off the record) on Friday, Pronger was advocating how everyone should *remove the visors*. Yep.

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Remember when Michel Goulet went head-first into the boards at the Old Forum and effectively ended his career? That marked the end of the old "Jofa" Gretzky model helmet, which was basically a useless piece of equipment.

I read somewhere (I forget where) but it said that for most of his career, Gretzky was still wearing that helmet even though it was illegal.

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It's their health, it's their career, it's their game, it's their profession, it's their livelihood.

It's their choice.

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It's their health, it's their career, it's their game, it's their profession, it's their livelihood.

It's their choice.
Fans pay to see them play. Owners pay them to work. Their preventable injuries put an additional strain on already increasing health care costs in Canada and the United States, which society as a whole has to help pay for. Visors and cages never hampered their development as hockey players when they were younger, but suddenly they hit the NHL and think they have new civil liberties? Give me a break. That's just silly.

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On OTR (off the record) on Friday, Pronger was advocating how everyone should *remove the visors*. Yep.

Really? Interesting.

Anything more to add about that?

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i think that it should be a players option. Someday im sure it will be manditory, but for now just let plays who want them wear them and those who dont want them dont. Its there own problem IMHO

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In Sweden, all players born after a certain year (can't remember which year) must wear a visor.

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10-18-2005, 05:39 AM
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It's their health, it's their career, it's their game, it's their profession, it's their livelihood.

It's their choice.
Yeah, that works. Right.

Construction workers: Well, how many times is something going to strike somebody on the head when on the job? Might never happen. Good thing they get to choose whether to wear hard hat or not. Oh, wait, no they don't.

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10-18-2005, 05:41 AM
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What about their necks!??!?! They could get hit in the neck and die!!! Enforce neck guards now.
Not a bad idea, but it happens a lot less(read: nearly never) than getting hit in the face with a puck.

Speaking of which, F1 just this year enforced what is termed a "spine board" which increases survival chances in a crash, apparently, even though noone's died in almost a decade.

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I read somewhere (I forget where) but it said that for most of his career, Gretzky was still wearing that helmet even though it was illegal.
Jofa? Not sure if it was actually illegal, it did offer a level of protection, just not the ultimate level, Larionov wore it too, for most of his NHL career for some reason. Then again, neither played a very physical game.

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Remember when Michel Goulet went head-first into the boards at the Old Forum and effectively ended his career? That marked the end of the old "Jofa" Gretzky model helmet, which was basically a useless piece of equipment.
This is the first time i've heard of this apparent JOFA helmet problem, just curious, does anyone remember the hit Kevin Lowe took behind his own net (can't remember off hand who it was against), he got leveled while standing almost still, got checked into the boards and then his head hit the ice hard. You could see the blood coming from the back of his helmet. Was this the same type of helmet mentioned above or had rules changed by this point? I remember this incident cos i'd not seen someone hit the back of their head on the ice while wearing a helmet and still received a bad cut from it before.

As for the visor issue, personally, i think the players should wear them but i can see why the guys who played their entire careers without would choose not to. Difficult to break the habits of a lifetime. If they were to change their minds on the issue, i only hope its not as a result of seeing a teammate or another teams player (or even themselves) receive a terrible injury. Hopefully some players can be convinced to at least try them out for a while during training so they can experience the game with the visor. And if they find it makes little difference to them, they may as well start using them in games.

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To add to the list, Mashall on the Ducks has been hit twice this season (one was in the preseason, but I count it).

Grandfarther it in now, or make it the law. Just make them wear something! I like the idea before of an owner trading all those that didn't wear one away. Another idea could be paying a player less when he's a UFA to be signed because he doesn't have on or something?

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In Sweden, all players born after a certain year (can't remember which year) must wear a visor.
No I think your wrong. They made it mandatory one year and all new players in the league must wear a visor, but if you had played without earlier you didn't have too. I think Tommy Sjödin in Brynäs is the last player in the SEL that plays without a visor.

Edit: Peter Andersson in Malmö did it last season but he is retired now.

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It's their health, it's their career, it's their game, it's their profession, it's their livelihood.

It's their choice.
But it's the team's salary cap.

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But it's the team's salary cap.
Well, the teams money, anyways, injured(for more than a few weeks) players do not count against the cap. Perhaps players should have a contract clause that stipulates any serious eye injury resulting from not wearing a visor will give the team the option of voiding the rest of the contract.

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Regardless of whether a player's time on the injured reserve counts against the cap or not, the point is that this kind of pointless and preventable injury based on one's own selfishness is a disservice to his team. Sure, in the abstract, we can say that this is a matter of individual choice, but that would be short sighted. It's a team game and also a business and at some point, hard decisions about mandatory safety equipment must be made to trump those individual choices - just like the decision was made years ago to require helmuts. I hate the Leafs, but I think it's unfortunate Sundin wasn't able to play against my Habs for two games. All because of a stupid, preventable injury that he himself admits has made him think about wearing a visor from now on. I hope for his sake and his team's that he does.

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No I think your wrong. They made it mandatory one year and all new players in the league must wear a visor, but if you had played without earlier you didn't have too. I think Tommy Sjödin in Brynäs is the last player in the SEL that plays without a visor.

Edit: Peter Andersson in Malmö did it last season but he is retired now.
Actually, he's right. Any player born after 1965 must wear a visor. Peter Andersson and Tommy Sjödin are both born in 1965.

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