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3+ million for a player that hasn't broken 60 points in his career...You a Rangers fan?
Ok...other than the likes of Kariya, Pronger, or Iginla...who else is there? Players like that are "special" talents...and in today's salary structure...deserve it.
...and the list goes on and on and on...I bet you my list is ALOT longer than yours....
Some examples of players that are of Havlat's calibre (or worse):
Drury gets $3.5M
Sami Kapanen 3.0
Deadmarsh 3.0
Valeri Bure 3.1
Radek Bonk 3.5
Friesen 3.0
Michael Nylander 2.7
Daymond Langkow 2.7
And he's clearly better than the following players(and thus deserves more):
Mike York 2.0
Zednik 2.0
Langenbrunner 2.1
Sturm 2.0
Marleau 2.4
Btw, Samsonov just got 3.7 M, and you're suggesting Havlat should earn less than half of that...
I repeat: anything under 2M is a joke. A player who is projected to get 30 + 40 = 70 points in 82 games deserves $3M.
I, as are most sens fans, am in full support of muckler's actions. He's been trying to brach the gap bit by bit, but has seen nothing reciprocated from Havlat's agents. Plus, the offer that was on the table was reasonable considering it brings Havlat to arbitration elegibility, when it expires. (For those who did not know the sens last offer was a 2 year $2.85 million)
Frankly I wouldn't pay Havlat much more on a 2 year contract (MAYBE 3mil [1.4,1.6]). Now if Havlat was willing to sign a 4 year contract. I could see the sens even giving him up to 10mil [1.6, 2.2, 2.8, 3.4], which IMO would be the best situation for both sides.
Havlat can sit and sulk in the Czech rebublic all he wants, the sens don't need him to win, he has no barganing power, he only hurts himself by sitting out. Even if he asks fo a trade, the sens won't do it unless it's a last resort, and that will only come if this hasn't been resolved come the start of next season (*knocks on wood*). If havlat wants to play, and help bring a stanley cup to Ottawa he'll fire his idiot agents, and sign a reasonable deal. If he doesn't, to hell with him, we don't need him.
The Sens will pay him more if he will sign a longer term deal, but if he insists on a 1 year deal - or even worse a two year deal which takes him straight to arbitration - then he'll have to take less.
Richards, Gagne and others all gave up a year or two of arbitration rights to get the money they got. Havlat and his agent haven't even considered that scenario. Hence - he is offered a lot less. And that's for good reason. If he gets to arbitration in two years, he'll get there at the same time as Hossa, but be there two years earlier, and end up making more money (which is ok, but in the mean time, he has to bite the bullet).
In terms of comparisons, Richards has more points for the Bolts over the last three years than any other player on the team including Vince. Meanwhile, Todd White has outscored Havlat each of the last two years and he only makes $1 million. Bonk, Hossa and Alfredsson are whole other story in terms of comparing production. Havlat simply isn't there yet.
If Havlat and his agent will sign a long-term deal for a bit less than what Hossa signed for (Hossa had produced more coming out of his rookie deal), then that is one thing. But to ask for a one year deal which is triple last year salary without offering anyhting back in terms of signing long-term...well, enjoy the Europe.
Some examples of players that are of Havlat's calibre (or worse):
Drury gets $3.5M
Sami Kapanen 3.0
Deadmarsh 3.0
Valeri Bure 3.1
Radek Bonk 3.5
Friesen 3.0
Michael Nylander 2.7
Daymond Langkow 2.7
And he's clearly better than the following players(and thus deserves more):
Mike York 2.0
Zednik 2.0
Langenbrunner 2.1
Sturm 2.0
Marleau 2.4
Btw, Samsonov just got 3.7 M, and you're suggesting Havlat should earn less than half of that...
I repeat: anything under 2M is a joke. A player who is projected to get 30 + 40 = 70 points in 82 games deserves $3M.
OK, So now you've moved onto comparing Havlat to players who are not only far advanced in terms of the amounts of contracts they have signed in their careers, but who arent even close to being in his age group. This argument wont even hold water in arbitration.
Do you consider every single top 2 line player underpaid because holik makes $9 million?
1. The CBA basically threw out any bargaining power of younger players and gave it to the older players. Players like Havlat only need to be offered a 10% increase for the team to hold his rights. It a tool that a team has inorder to keep salaries in check, and Havlat's only option is to sit out. You know what? Too bad...when were you offered a 10% pay raise lately? Yeah...not to recently I'm sure.
2. The major problem of all of this is letting the players salaries be known. What happens is player's egos start to feel hurt if someone around their age/skill level gets more than them. Do you think Havlat and Gaborik would be asking for Richards type money if they didn't know what it was? Whaaaaaa...Brad makes more than me....and I'm just as good as he is...Whaaaaaa!! Hopefully salaries will be hidden from everyone in the next CBA. I'm just a little tired of some 21 year old complaining about money when they make more in one year than most people make in 20+ years. If your as good as you think you are, you'll eventually get the big bucks...thats the way the system is..if you don't like it, try selling sofas at the Brick....plumbling...driving...garbage pick-up...milking a goat....I'm sure your puny little 1 mil salary will look damn good in short order.
Damn...I better lay down and rest...maybe take in a hockey game on TV...no wait...I better get my son outside practicing hockey...Daddy needs a new house. :p
Havlat is looking for a contract for 1.95 mill and Ottawa is offering 1.35 mill.
If Havlat holds out for the first 25 games of the season, the Sens can offer him the $1.95M he's asking for and all he'll earn is the $1.35M that they're offering.
Some examples of players that are of Havlat's calibre (or worse):
Drury gets $3.5M
Sami Kapanen 3.0
Deadmarsh 3.0
Valeri Bure 3.1
Radek Bonk 3.5
Friesen 3.0
Michael Nylander 2.7
Daymond Langkow 2.7
And he's clearly better than the following players(and thus deserves more):
Mike York 2.0
Zednik 2.0
Langenbrunner 2.1
Sturm 2.0
Marleau 2.4
Btw, Samsonov just got 3.7 M, and you're suggesting Havlat should earn less than half of that...
I repeat: anything under 2M is a joke. A player who is projected to get 30 + 40 = 70 points in 82 games deserves $3M.
Some examples of players that are of Havlat's calibre (or worse):
Drury gets $3.5M
Sami Kapanen 3.0
Deadmarsh 3.0
Valeri Bure 3.1
Radek Bonk 3.5
Friesen 3.0
Michael Nylander 2.7
Daymond Langkow 2.7
And he's clearly better than the following players(and thus deserves more):
Mike York 2.0
Zednik 2.0
Langenbrunner 2.1
Sturm 2.0
Marleau 2.4
Btw, Samsonov just got 3.7 M, and you're suggesting Havlat should earn less than half of that...
I repeat: anything under 2M is a joke. A player who is projected to get 30 + 40 = 70 points in 82 games deserves $3M.
This post shows little understanding of NHL economics, using players who are in different contract situations. For example you could research how Bonk got his current contract, and determine why Havlat cannot do the same thing - don't bother posting any more on what players should get until you understand this.
Havlat:
67gp 24g 35a 59pts +20
Best comparison is Alex Tanguay:
82gp 26g 41a 67pts +34 $1.5M one year contract, plus performance bonuses.
This post shows little understanding of NHL economics, using players who are in different contract situations. For example you could research how Bonk got his current contract, and determine why Havlat cannot do the same thing - don't bother posting any more on what players should get until you understand this.
Havlat:
67gp 24g 35a 59pts +20
Best comparison is Alex Tanguay:
82gp 26g 41a 67pts +34 $1.5M one year contract, plus performance bonuses.
Just trade Smyth for Havlat. Everybody's happy. Smyth stays in Canada, gets him out of my division, Edmonton gets younger, cheaper, and more talented, while Ottawa picks up that LW that scores 65 points a year and crashes and bangs. Plus his insane speed fits in the system...
*too lazy to explain logic thoroughly as this has been put out a million times.*
Just trade Smyth for Havlat. Everybody's happy. Smyth stays in Canada, gets him out of my division, Edmonton gets younger, cheaper, and more talented, while Ottawa picks up that LW that scores 65 points a year and crashes and bangs. Plus his insane speed fits in the system...
*too lazy to explain logic thoroughly as this has been put out a million times.*
Are you a moderator or an instigator? Oil and sens don’t mix this trading season.
Just trade Smyth for Havlat. Everybody's happy. Smyth stays in Canada, gets him out of my division, Edmonton gets younger, cheaper, and more talented, while Ottawa picks up that LW that scores 65 points a year and crashes and bangs. Plus his insane speed fits in the system...
*too lazy to explain logic thoroughly as this has been put out a million times.*
Smyth is by far the best player on your team, and a good leader IMO. I would hate to see him leave Edmonton for another player that has trouble signing contracts....
so are you in agreement with this or against it? I think he is making less than what he probably could have asked for.
I think Tanguay is making what he should. Walsh, Havlat's agent, eluded to the fact that he thought Tanguay was grossely underpaid and shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for Havlat. But grossely overpaid players like Richards and Gagne should. Makes sense eh?
I think Tanguay is making what he should. Walsh, Havlat's agent, eluded to the fact that he thought Tanguay was grossely underpaid and shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for Havlat. But grossely overpaid players like Richards and Gagne should. Makes sense eh?
lol. I agree. Tanguay signed at what I think players like him *Legwand, Comrie, Havlat* should all sign for...
You also have to consider the following in the salary agumentation and I am sure that is waht MUCKLER is considering as well.... are the Send that much a worst team without then with Havlat....
Now that guys like Spezza are ready for prime time and that you have a guy like schastlivy finally not injurred and Vermette is just around the corner.
Havlat unlike Hossa at the time really does not have a position of strength to negociate....
I say Muckler is doing the right thing....every GM should be like that and the CBA would not be such a big deal!
