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10-22-2005, 03:37 AM
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In 601 NHL games, Smith scored 186 goals and assisted on 183.

When he retired only three active players had scored more goals


- Gordie Howe, Maurice (Rocket) Richard and Ted Lindsay


wow!

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The key word being active, and well it's not as if he was close to the other three.

Richard 508
Howe 386
Lindsay 336
Smith 186

When you factor in the 29 retired guys ahead of him as well, it doesn't look so impressive.

It does though illustrate how big a deal scoring something like 200 goals used to be. In 58 only Richard had scored over 400 goals, only 4 players had scored 300, and only 28 players had reached 200 in a career.

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who were the 28 players bm67

where can i get that stat?

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Player GP G A Pts
1 Maurice Richard 885 508 384 892
2 Gordie Howe 776 386 440 831
3 Ted Lindsay 861 336 403 739
4 Nels Stewart 655 324 191 515
5 Aurel Joliat 654 270 190 460
6 Howie Morenz 550 270 197 467
7 Bill Mosienko 711 258 282 540
8 Cy Denneny 326 246 79 325
9 Max Bentley 646 245 299 544
10 Harvey "Busher" Jackson 635 241 234 475
11 Syd Howe 697 237 291 528
12 Harry Watson 809 236 207 443
13 Toe Blake 578 235 292 527
14 Ted Kennedy 696 231 329 560
15 Milt Schmidt 776 229 346 575
16 Aubrey "Dit" Clapper 833 228 246 474
17 Bill Cook 475 228 138 366
18 Roy Conacher 490 226 200 426
19 Charlie Conacher 460 225 173 398
20 Doug Bentley 566 219 324 543
21 Elmer Lach 664 215 408 623
22 Woody Dumart 771 211 218 429
23 Herbert Cain 572 206 194 400
24 Sid Abel 674 206 319 525
25 Lorne Carr 580 204 222 426
26 Bernie Geoffrion 416 202 186 388
27 Cecil "Babe" Dye 276 202 41 243
28 David "Sweeney" Schriner 484 201 204 405
29 Syl Apps Sr. 423 201 231 432
30 Reg "Hooley" Smith 718 200 215 415
31 Bill Cowley 549 195 353 548
32 Marty Barry 511 195 192 387
33 Sid Smith 601 186 183 369
34 Gaye Stewart 502 185 159 344
35 Johnny Gottselig 594 177 195 372
36 Ralph "Cooney" Weiland 508 173 160 333
37 Reg Noble 515 168 89 257
38 Tony Leswick 740 168 151 319
39 Cecil Dillon 453 167 131 298
40 Hec Kilrea 632 167 129 296

Random observations:
- Sid Smith couldn't have been fourth among active players, Geoffrion already has more (and this was before his MVP season). But I think everyone else on this list was retired from the NHL
- I notice a lot of people tend to bash Cy Denneny (the epitome of a star from the early days of the NHL). This list shows that even three decades after he retired, he was still a top-ten goal-scorer despite playing half as many games as anyone else.
- Elmer Lach has got to be one of the most underrated players ever. He has a Hart Trophy, two Art Ross's, and was a five-time all-star.

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Player GP G A Pts
1 Maurice Richard 885 508 384 892
2 Gordie Howe 776 386 440 831
3 Ted Lindsay 861 336 403 739
4 Nels Stewart 655 324 191 515
5 Aurel Joliat 654 270 190 460
6 Howie Morenz 550 270 197 467
7 Bill Mosienko 711 258 282 540
8 Cy Denneny 326 246 79 325
9 Max Bentley 646 245 299 544
10 Harvey "Busher" Jackson 635 241 234 475
11 Syd Howe 697 237 291 528
12 Harry Watson 809 236 207 443
13 Toe Blake 578 235 292 527
14 Ted Kennedy 696 231 329 560
15 Milt Schmidt 776 229 346 575
16 Aubrey "Dit" Clapper 833 228 246 474
17 Bill Cook 475 228 138 366
18 Roy Conacher 490 226 200 426
19 Charlie Conacher 460 225 173 398
20 Doug Bentley 566 219 324 543
21 Elmer Lach 664 215 408 623
22 Woody Dumart 771 211 218 429
23 Herbert Cain 572 206 194 400
24 Sid Abel 674 206 319 525
25 Lorne Carr 580 204 222 426
26 Bernie Geoffrion 416 202 186 388
27 Cecil "Babe" Dye 276 202 41 243
28 David "Sweeney" Schriner 484 201 204 405
29 Syl Apps Sr. 423 201 231 432
30 Reg "Hooley" Smith 718 200 215 415
31 Bill Cowley 549 195 353 548
32 Marty Barry 511 195 192 387
33 Sid Smith 601 186 183 369
34 Gaye Stewart 502 185 159 344
35 Johnny Gottselig 594 177 195 372
36 Ralph "Cooney" Weiland 508 173 160 333
37 Reg Noble 515 168 89 257
38 Tony Leswick 740 168 151 319
39 Cecil Dillon 453 167 131 298
40 Hec Kilrea 632 167 129 296

Random observations:
- Sid Smith couldn't have been fourth among active players, Geoffrion already has more (and this was before his MVP season). But I think everyone else on this list was retired from the NHL
- I notice a lot of people tend to bash Cy Denneny (the epitome of a star from the early days of the NHL). This list shows that even three decades after he retired, he was still a top-ten goal-scorer despite playing half as many games as anyone else.
- Elmer Lach has got to be one of the most underrated players ever. He has a Hart Trophy, two Art Ross's, and was a five-time all-star.
Nice list - surprised Joliat was so high.

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who were the 28 players bm67

where can i get that stat?
http://www.bballsports.com/

You can download the DB or use their web-based DB.

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10-24-2005, 10:13 PM
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The key word being active, and well it's not as if he was close to the other three.

Richard 508
Howe 386
Lindsay 336
Smith 186

When you factor in the 29 retired guys ahead of him as well, it doesn't look so impressive.

It does though illustrate how big a deal scoring something like 200 goals used to be. In 58 only Richard had scored over 400 goals, only 4 players had scored 300, and only 28 players had reached 200 in a career.
Relative statwise, who of the current players will end up in similar positions (around pos. 30) when they retire, Nieuwendyk, Recchi, Sundin?

Speaking in relative terms, maybe that was the impact he had in the NHL then.

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sundins not near retirement age though

right now he is 51

if he gets 70 points a yr for next 4 yrs
that will put him near 20 best ever

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