Renney is considering giving Strudwick a start. When asked if it was to simply get him in or becuase of an impeding benching, Renney said "It may be time for someone to watch".
Maybe this is bias, but I hope that he does not mean Tyutin or 'Drats. They are rookies and deserve the benefit of the doubt after a poor all-around game by the entire defense.
OTOH, when it comes to Rozsival (simly a horrible give away on the 4th Isles goal), Poti or anyone else, it's a different story. Though, can anyone really see him benching Poti twice, before any other defenseman? It will either be a message to Poti if he is sat or to the whole defensive unit if it is someone like Rozsival.
Renney is considering giving Strudwick a start. When asked if it was to simply get him in or becuase of an impeding benching, Renney said "It may be time for someone to watch".
Maybe this is bias, but I hope that he does not mean Tyutin or 'Drats. They are rookies and deserve the benefit of the doubt after a poor all-around game by the entire defense.
OTOH, when it comes to Rozsival (simly a horrible give away on the 4th Isles goal), Poti or anyone else, it's a different story. Though, can anyone really see him benching Poti twice, before any other defenseman? It will either be a message to Poti if he is sat or to the whole defensive unit if it is someone like Rozsival.
Renney is considering giving Strudwick a start. When asked if it was to simply get him in or becuase of an impeding benching, Renney said "It may be time for someone to watch".
Maybe this is bias, but I hope that he does not mean Tyutin or 'Drats. They are rookies and deserve the benefit of the doubt after a poor all-around game by the entire defense.
OTOH, when it comes to Rozsival (simly a horrible give away on the 4th Isles goal), Poti or anyone else, it's a different story. Though, can anyone really see him benching Poti twice, before any other defenseman? It will either be a message to Poti if he is sat or to the whole defensive unit if it is someone like Rozsival.
Its accountability plain and simple. Why are you so adamant against benching a young player? This is a team, and what goes for one guy goes for the next. You dont or shouldn't get a gold pass just because you are under 25. If it is for Tyutin to get his **** together and bring his best game each and every game, I don't have a problem with it. I dont know where he was in that Islander game, but if Renney wants to sit him so he learns a lesson and comes prepared, so be it.
Guys like Moore, Ortmeyer, Betts, Ward, and Hossa have been firmly planted in the lineup because they've played their ***** off and deserve it. Not because they are young.
I agree, just move Poti at this point, putting splinters in his *ss is not going to motivate him. he needs to go, and the defense needs to tighten-up.
Sadly, I'm not a Poti hater anymore. After reading in the news what happened at the Hotel I just think thats him, thats his person and he's never going to change. When commenting on being notified that the the hotel was evacuating, Poti responded by saying something like "I just went back to bed." This is SOOO him and I understand why he plays the way he plays. Someone with a pulse would have hauled *** outta the building. But he's just got an off beat, indifferent type of personality and that just comes thru on the ice.
Its accountability plain and simple. Why are you so adamant against benching a young player? This is a team, and what goes for one guy goes for the next. You dont or shouldn't get a gold pass just because you are under 25. If it is for Tyutin to get his **** together and bring his best game each and every game, I don't have a problem with it. I dont know where he was in that Islander game, but if Renney wants to sit him so he learns a lesson and comes prepared, so be it.
So it's ok for anyone to get benched just as long as it's not Drats and Tyutin? If I had to pick someone from that game to bench it would be Tyutin who had a worse game than Poti on most nights, but hey he gets a free ride on this board.
Sorry but I think Tyutin gets a tad hyped on here. I mean I read these boards and it sounds like he is the next Pronger or somethin.........I watch him play and he just looks like a steady/2nd pair guy. When Renney made Prucha watch a few games from above he said it helped him........why wouldn't it help Tyutin also?
I am not a Strudwick fan at all, but he shouldn't lose his roster spot because he had a death in his family. Renney says the players earn what ice they get and sorry but with all those horrible horrible passes Tyutin is making along with the giveaways he deserves to sit a game.
So it's ok for anyone to get benched just as long as it's not Drats and Tyutin? If I had to pick someone from that game to bench it would be Tyutin who had a worse game than Poti on most nights, but hey he gets a free ride on this board.
Sorry but I think Tyutin gets a tad hyped on here. I mean I read these boards and it sounds like he is the next Pronger or somethin.........I watch him play and he just looks like a steady/2nd pair guy. When Renney made Prucha watch a few games from above he said it helped him........why wouldn't it help Tyutin also?
I am not a Strudwick fan at all, but he shouldn't lose his roster spot because he had a death in his family. Renney says the players earn what ice they get and sorry but with all those horrible horrible passes Tyutin is making along with the giveaways he deserves to sit a game.
because of accountability, it shouldn't be Poti, who's played well mostly in the last several games. It's not his fault that Tyutin let his guy bet between him and the goalie, and it's not his fault Betts let Satan split the defense and stop skating while covering his man. And that's the last game. Roszival's had some problems lately, and Tyutin's gaffes are to be expected. I haven't seen glaring errors from 'Drats in several games - him being benched would shock me.
Renney is considering giving Strudwick a start. When asked if it was to simply get him in or becuase of an impeding benching, Renney said "It may be time for someone to watch".
Maybe this is bias, but I hope that he does not mean Tyutin or 'Drats. They are rookies and deserve the benefit of the doubt after a poor all-around game by the entire defense.
OTOH, when it comes to Rozsival (simly a horrible give away on the 4th Isles goal), Poti or anyone else, it's a different story. Though, can anyone really see him benching Poti twice, before any other defenseman? It will either be a message to Poti if he is sat or to the whole defensive unit if it is someone like Rozsival.
The defense in general was poor, this is fact. But Fedor's play has been very mediocre for these past two games now and I would not be surprised if it is he who is benched. Overall Drats' has looked steadier than Fedor this season but Fedor is a rookie and we have to expect these things. He may get a game to relax and ***** his own play, no big deal as long as it's 1 or 2 games.
So it's ok for anyone to get benched just as long as it's not Drats and Tyutin? If I had to pick someone from that game to bench it would be Tyutin who had a worse game than Poti on most nights, but hey he gets a free ride on this board.
Sorry but I think Tyutin gets a tad hyped on here. I mean I read these boards and it sounds like he is the next Pronger or somethin.........I watch him play and he just looks like a steady/2nd pair guy. When Renney made Prucha watch a few games from above he said it helped him........why wouldn't it help Tyutin also?
I am not a Strudwick fan at all, but he shouldn't lose his roster spot because he had a death in his family. Renney says the players earn what ice they get and sorry but with all those horrible horrible passes Tyutin is making along with the giveaways he deserves to sit a game.
When a rookie makes a "rookie mistake" you write it off as part of the learning curve. When a 5 or 10 year veteran makes the same mistake then you have to look at it differently. Yes, I agree the coaching staff has to have a much longer leash with the rookies. They will make mistakes; its par for the course. If you bench them after every mistake they make then you stand a chance of destroying their confidence.
I agree that Strudwick shouldn't lose his spot because of a death in the family. However, at the same time we are trying to develop our youth. Sitting them each time they have a bad game is counter productive to that goal. Looking back at the last Isle game I'd have to say that none of the defensmen had a good game. Obviously some where worse than others but as a unit they all looked like crap.
When a rookie makes a "rookie mistake" you write it off as part of the learning curve. When a 5 or 10 year veteran makes the same mistake then you have to look at it differently. Yes, I agree the coaching staff has to have a much longer leash with the rookies. They will make mistakes; its par for the course. If you bench them after every mistake they make then you stand a chance of destroying their confidence.
I agree that Strudwick shouldn't lose his spot because of a death in the family. However, at the same time we are trying to develop our youth. Sitting them each time they have a bad game is counter productive to that goal. Looking back at the last Isle game I'd have to say that none of the defensmen had a good game. Obviously some where worse than others but as a unit they all looked like crap.
Exactly. It's called perspective. It's one thing for a 22-year-old, who is on the upswing of his learning curve, to make mistakes. It's another thing for a veteran like Poti, who continues to make the same mistakes without learning from them, to get called on the carpet. Maybe Tyutin's performance over the last year and a half has spoiled people, but, once in a while, he might play like a 22-year-old. Imagine that.
because of accountability, it shouldn't be Poti, who's played well mostly in the last several games. It's not his fault that Tyutin let his guy bet between him and the goalie, and it's not his fault Betts let Satan split the defense and stop skating while covering his man. And that's the last game. Roszival's had some problems lately, and Tyutin's gaffes are to be expected. I haven't seen glaring errors from 'Drats in several games - him being benched would shock me.
Agreed. As much as I dislike Poti he has been, for the most part, much better since his benching.
I think there is a different standard you judge a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is a rookie and may be having a bad night, vs. a guy who's been in the league for 7 years. If Tyutin or Kondratiev are having a bad night, the coaching staff should be sitting down and reviewing tapes with them and showing them where things went wrong. But they have to have the chance to go back in there and do it right. You fall off a horse, you have to get right back on. Now if Poti is having a bad night, it's without a doubt something that he has been told about for the umpteenth time and he just doesn't want to hear it. I don't think the two circumstances are the same at all. One is a guy who is making mistakes for being new, and there's no shame in that. The other is a guy who should know better refusing to put the neccessary effort forward.
Strudwick was playing very good before he left to attend to his family. And now he hasnt gotten in, in games. Poti should be the one that sits! He is to BLAME for the first two Isles goals (not gonna get into detail because I'm short on time). And at the end of the game with 17 seconds left, he's taking his time getting the puck up the ice. Just a complete joke of a defenseman.
When a rookie makes a "rookie mistake" you write it off as part of the learning curve. When a 5 or 10 year veteran makes the same mistake then you have to look at it differently.
That's exactly it. I am one of the biggest proponent of accountability (despite being a Lundmark backer, I completely understood the need for his benching). However, one has to judge rookies on a slightly different curve than vets. After Renney challenged him, Tyutin responded. Yes, he had a bad game against the Isles. However, when it comes to him and 'Drats, you have to expect rookie mistakes. You cannot just bench a rookie after every bad game. You need to see if he learns from it and improves. However, seasoned vets like Poti, Malik, Rozsival & Kasper are a different story. They should not be making rookie mistakes.
And let's face it, for as poorly as Tyutin played last game, it's not like the vets played any better. The difference is he is expected to make rookie mistakes, the others are not.
Bench one of the vets. If Tyutin has back-to-back poor games, then you can make a case for him needing to sit one out. Otherwise, let the yoots learn and grow.
So, it's OK that Fedor lets a guy float to in front of the net while getting into position for an easy tip-in? Don't we talk about defensemen being between the goalie and the opposing forward? Poti goes out to the guy with the puck. Before he gets there the guy makes the pass. The guy Tyutin is 'covering' scores, and that's all Poti?
On the first goal, Poti goes to the guy with the puck, which he should. Betts is backchecking, and the guy he is backchecking is Satan. Betts stops skating and Satan goes to the net alone. And that's Poti's fault that Betts stopped skating and stopped backchecking? And I cannot remember exactly where Tyutin was. You'd think that if one defenseman is going out to a puck carrier, the other may be in front of the net. Essentially what Betts created was a quick 3-on-2 situation and the Isles made the nice passes to get the score.
When a rookie makes a "rookie mistake" you write it off as part of the learning curve.
I would say Fedor made more bad choices than "mistakes" in the last game. He's gotten away from the simple approach that's brought him success to this point. If a night off help reinforce that point, I'm all for it.
We just don't agree on Poti's role in the first 2 goals Fletch. I really wish I could see some replays, but Poti's man had too much time and too much room to operate in both cases. Not saying you're wrong anout other players' roles, but Tom's gotta do something to make those plays more difficult for Satan and Hunter.
To me, rebuilding doesn't necessarily mean playing rookies as much as possible. It means engineering rookies to be better players. Time on the ice is a big part of that, but there is also what you do to their minds. If Tyutin hasn't played well, bench him for a game. The missed ice time won't hurt him, as long as he gets back in the game soon. The benching may send a message.
To me, there's a big difference between what benching Tyutin would do and what giving rookies 2 minutes on the fourth line for a game would do. That was what we did in the past. This is much better.
both tjutin and poti deserve to be benched for that game thursday night. however i do think it will be poti that sits simply because he has no future with this team. sather and company are running a tight ship right now. Benching kids is also part of rebuilding. tjutin has been very up and down so far (part of the growing pains) perhaps a night off would help his game in the long run
I would say Fedor made more bad choices than "mistakes" in the last game. He's gotten away from the simple approach that's brought him success to this point. If a night off help reinforce that point, I'm all for it.
Fedor just seemed rattled after those 3 quick goals. Pucks bouncing off his stick, poor choices and just a step slow for pretty much the 1st two periods. Ideally I'd love to see him paired with a steady d-man (K. Lowe) which he can learn from. Poti is just too inconsistent. One shift he's on and makes a few good plays the next couple of shifts he's losing his man, turning away from a check or mishandling the puck. Puts Fedor in a tough position. He's gotta be the steady one and thats asking alot from a rookie. The obvious problem is that we got no one else to pair him with. Guy like Leetch would be great about now.
Fedor has yet to put together a whole string of subpar contests (when he puts together 3 in a row--that would be a good time to sit him for a game) like Poti has throughout his career. To judge only by this season---yes Poti has been better since he's been benched. One reason is he's paying more attention to his own end for once. He's not been adding a lot of offense though which is his primary reason for being here. Note also that other D are being used on the pwp and also Straka and that is because Poti is not much of a quarterback (puck distributor). All in all I'm not a Poti fan however we've seen a reduction in the number of out and out brainfarts he's been known for.
My guess is Poti gets benched mainly because the expectations are higher with more experience and Poti at 28 was probably expected to hold down the fort a little more than he has.
Is it 100% fair? No, but that is the responsibility of experience. Just like any job really, when you're making bad choices at a higher position the heat is higher than if you were a newbie or intern.
I always wondered how interesting it would have been to see Keenan quotes on Poti if they ever played together. Keenan would have broke him by now.
