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10-22-2005, 03:02 PM
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All-time football teams..

We've had these type of threads for hockey before, but never for football.

What would be your favorite team's all-time squad?
  • The player must have started, or emerged his career with the club
  • The player must have played a minimum of 50 games for the club
  • Also include 12 substitutes to complete a 23 men roster and 2 coaches

I'll try for AFC Ajax Amsterdam;


------------------------------- Marco van Basten -----------------------------
------------------------------------------------- Johan Cruijff ----------------
-------------------------- Dennis Bergkamp -----------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------- Johnny Rep ---
------- Johan Neeskens ------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------- Frank Rijkaard -------------------------------
--- Frank de Boer ------------------------------------------------- Ruud Krol --
------------------------- Ronald Koeman - Danny Blind -------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------- Edwin van der Sar ------------------------------


Substitutes

01 - Sjaak Zwart
02 - Patrick Kluivert
03 - Wim Jonk
04 - Jari Litmanen
05 - Wim Kieft
06 - Jan Wouters
07 - Edgar Davids
08 - Richard Witsche
09 - Gerald Vanenburg
10 - Rafael van der Vaart
11 - N****o Kanu
12 - Finidi George

Honorable mention; Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Cristian Chivu and Marc Overmars.

Coach: Rinus Michels/Loui van Gaal.

Pretty well stacked, let's hear yours!

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I'll also try for PSV Eindhoven

------------------------Ruud van Nistelrooy - Ruud Gullit -----------------------
--------------- Ronaldo -------------------------------- Romario --------------
- Arjen Robben ---------------- Willy van der Kuijlen ----------------------------
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------------------------------- Philippe Cocu ---------------------------------
- René van de Kerkhof ---------------------------------- Willy van de Kerkhof -
------------------------------ Huub Stevens ------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------- Hans van Breukelen ------------------------------

Substitutes:

01 - Coen Dillen
02 - Sören Lerby
03 - Frank Arnesen
04 - Mark van Bommel
05 - Jan van Beveren
06 - Jan Poortvliet
07 - Ralf Edström
08 - Luc Nillis
09 - Jan Heintze
10 - Alex
11 - Harry Lubse
12 - Mateja Kezman

Coach: Guus Hiddink/Dick Advocaat

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85 Chicago Bears.




Oh, wait....

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The '93 Cowboys would destroy any team before or since.

You know you're good when the league has to put in a salary cap to break you apart.
Indeed. From whatifsports.com

1993 Dallas Cowboys 0 17 0 0 17
1985 Chicago Bears 10 3 0 0 13


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I'm serious. There's no stopping that team.

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Two things:
1. Didn't Ruud Gullit start his career at Feyenoord?
2. The rule of players having to come from the youth system or emerging from a club makes this nearly impossible for many clubs, not everyone has an academy like Ajax. Maybe just an all time team could be doable, without the rule that the players have to emerge from a club.

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2. The rule of players having to come from the youth system or emerging from a club makes this nearly impossible for many clubs, not everyone has an academy like Ajax. Maybe just an all time team could be doable, without the rule that the players have to emerge from a club.
Agree, that makes it an all-time youth/development squad, rather than an all-time team. There's no way, for example that Van Basten shouldn't be eligable for an all-time AC Milan team, Johan Cruyff for Barca or even Niall Quinn for Sunderland.

I'll have my Sunderland team up soon, once I've dried my tears.

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Here goes for Sunderland AFC. I'm going more on how they performed for Sunderland than their overall careers, nor will I be excluding players who were good when they arrived at Sunderland. However all of the players in the squad have played significant parts of their careers/development at Sunderland, so sadly no Chris Waddle, Thomas Helmer, Steve Bould, Tony Coton, Patrice Carteron or Patrick Mboma:

-----------------Charles Buchan-Raich Carter-----------------
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Julio Arca------Jim Baxter------Len Shackleton------Bobby Kerr
-----------------------Stefan Schwarz-----------------------
-------Colin Todd------Charlie Hurley------Dave Watson-------
----------------------Jimmy Montgomery----------------------


Subs:
Kevin Phillips (CF)
Niall Quinn (CF)
Brian Clough (CF)
Gary Rowell (CF/AM)
Paul Bracewell (CM)
Ian Porterfield (LM)
Dennis Tueart (LW)
Kevin Ball (CD/DCM)
Shaun Elliott (CD)
Barry Venison (R/LB)
Mart Poom (GK)
Ted Doig (GK)

Manager: Don Revie
Assistant: George Burley

Not a bad team, plenty of goals in them and a very good back line. The bench isn't bad either and it's fairly versatile. I was going to count the amount of Championships and International caps between them, but I couldn't be bothered.

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2. The rule of players having to come from the youth system or emerging from a club makes this nearly impossible for many clubs, not everyone has an academy like Ajax. Maybe just an all time team could be doable, without the rule that the players have to emerge from a club.
PSV doesn't have the academy like Ajax but still hold a very formidable all-time squad. I think it's possible, but I agree with you somewhat, the rule should not count for the smaller clubs.

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FC Nantes

-------------Philippe Gondet------Vahid Halilhodzic-------------
------------------------Japhet N'Doram----------------------------
--Loïc Amisse---------------------------------Jorge Burruchaga--
------------------------Didier Deschamps-------------------------
Maxime Bossis----------------------------------Thierry Tusseau
---------------Marcel Desailly----Henri Michel-------------------
-----------------------Mickaël Landreau--------------------------

Philippe Gondet
(60'): record 36 goals season for a french player. International player. A terrific shot. A wonderful striker.
Vahid Halilhodzic (70-80'): two times top scorer of the french league. A powerful, gifted striker, very clever. Bronze boot (soulier de bronze), international player for Yougoslavia. Coach for Lille, Rennes, Paris and now Trabzonspor.
Japhet N'Doram (90') (see my avatar): one of the most talented playmaker I had the opportunity to watch on a football ground. Inspirationnal leader, amazing goalscoring instincts, but oft injured and underhyped. Was playing in Nantes at the same time Raï played for PSG. Was a superior player (even if Evilo probably won't agree). International player for Chad. Now a member of our staff.
Loïc Amisse (70',80',90')*: Elite winger, with amazing passing skills. More than 500 games in Nantes. International player for France. Turned into an average coach (unemployed, right now).
Jorge Buruchaga (80',90') Diego's right hand man. Creative midfielder with superior talent, but often injured. Scored the game winning goal for Argentina against Germany in 86 world cup final. Is now a coach for Arsenal (Argentina)
Didier Deschamps (90)*: A natural born leader. Captained France to his first Champion's league ever (with Marseille), first World cup and second Euro. A gritty defensive midfielder with terrific stamina and a master of tactics. Recently quitted Monaco as a coach. In his third season as a coach, he lead them to a CL final.
Maxime Bossis (70-80'-90')* Over 500 L1 games, mostly with Nantes. An awesome defender, could play either LB or sweeper. Big part of the brilliant 82-86 french national team. Was recognized at that period as one of the world's best dmen.
Thierry Tusseau (70-80')*: good left back (played a bit of RB and CB), member of the same national team as Bossis, but with a lesser role. His departure for the arch rivals Bordeaux, leaving 83 championship team was a schok for nantes and the start of our decline.
Marcel Desailly (90'-00')*: "the rock", an incredibly powerful center back and midfielder. Great success after his departure from Nantes in Marseille, Milan and Chelsea. World Champion with France in 1998.
Henri Michel (60'70'80')* Charismatic captain fo nearly 15 years. A terrific midfielder, who ended his carrer as a sweeper. Amazing shot, extremely clever and talented player. the word leader was invented to describe him. Coached France to its only Olympics gold medal and during 86 world cup. Then coached PSG and many african countries.
Mickaël Landreau (90'00')*: Starter at the age of 17 in the french league (1996). In his debut game away at Bastia, he stopped a penalty shot and kept the 0-0. Became captain of Nantes two season later. A very gifted goaltender, amazing on his line, and a serial penalty stopper. A great leader who did not hesitate to lead a rebellion last winter against our useless president, who destroyed a championship team in only two years. Will probably leave next summer. Third french keeper behind Barthez and Coupet.

Substitues
Viorel Moldovan (CF), Romanian striker. Gitty, hard working, talented.
Eric Pecout (CF)* French striker of the 70'-80'. Hat trick in 79 domestic cup final.
Angel Marcos: argentinian striker fro Chacarita. Extremely talented (he was part of the national team), his carrer was broken by injuries. Played for us in the 70'
Nicolas Ouédec (CF)* French striker of the 90'. Member of the wonderful 95 team (one loss in 38 games, 32 games undefeated streak) Two 20 goals seasons. Top striker of the french league in 1994
Ramon Muller (OM) Playmaker of the 60'. One of the most talented player to suit for us. A wizard with the ball. His son Oscar, recently dead, also played for us.
Bernard Blanchet (OM) 111 goals for us as a winger/midfielder. Intenational player for France. Played in the 60'-70'
Enzo Trossero (DM) Argentinian defensive midfielder. Very talented. Once a Swiss national team coach, btw. 70' player.
Claude Makelele (DM) Came from Brest at 18 yo in 1992. A very talented midfielder. Used to play a mixed game in Nantes, wasn't the defensive beast he is now, but contributed a lot offensively. Plays for France.
Patrice Rio (CB)* A rugged dman that was a big part of our 70'-80' championship teams. his tandem with Hugo Bargas was the best CB pair in France at the moment. Played for France national team.
Hugo Bargas (CB) Second part of the 70' tandem. Even rival and fellow Agentina player Piazza, from Saint Etienne recognized it:"Hugo es el mejor" (Hugo is the best). A gifted dman who loved to join the rush and give a hand to his forwards.
Christian Karembeu (RB/CB/DCM/OM)* the ultimate all around player. Apart from forward and goalie, he played every single position in his carreer. A force and a gentleman. World champion 98.
Daniel Eon (GK) our first great keeper (60'). Played internationally for France.
Jean-Paul bertrand-Demanes (GK)* "Le Grand" (the tall one) was our keeper for 15 years (70'-80'). International player for France.


* from the academy

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FC Nantes

-------------Philippe Gondet------Vahid Halilhodzic-------------
------------------------Japhet N'Doram----------------------------
--Loïc Amisse---------------------------------Jorge Burruchaga--
------------------------Didier Deschamps-------------------------
Maxime Bossis----------------------------------Thierry Tusseau
---------------Marcel Desailly----Henri Michel-------------------
-----------------------Mickaël Landreau--------------------------

Philippe Gondet
(60'): record 36 goals season for a french player. International player. A terrific shot. A wonderful striker.
Vahid Halilhodzic (70-80'): two times top scorer of the french league. A powerful, gifted striker, very clever. Bronze boot (soulier de bronze), international player for Yougoslavia. Coach for Lille, Rennes, Paris and now Trabzonspor.
Japhet N'Doram (90') (see my avatar): one of the most talented playmaker I had the opportunity to watch on a football ground. Inspirationnal leader, amazing goalscoring instincts, but oft injured and underhyped. Was playing in Nantes at the same time Raï played for PSG. Was a superior player (even if Evilo probably won't agree). International player for Chad. Now a member of our staff.
Loïc Amisse (70',80',90')*: Elite winger, with amazing passing skills. More than 500 games in Nantes. International player for France. Turned into an average coach (unemployed, right now).
Jorge Buruchaga (80',90') Diego's right hand man. Creative midfielder with superior talent, but often injured. Scored the game winning goal for Argentina against Germany in 86 world cup final. Is now a coach for Arsenal (Argentina)
Didier Deschamps (90)*: A natural born leader. Captained France to his first Champion's league ever (with Marseille), first World cup and second Euro. A gritty defensive midfielder with terrific stamina and a master of tactics. Recently quitted Monaco as a coach. In his third season as a coach, he lead them to a CL final.
Maxime Bossis (70-80'-90')* Over 500 L1 games, mostly with Nantes. An awesome defender, could play either LB or sweeper. Big part of the brilliant 82-86 french national team. Was recognized at that period as one of the world's best dmen.
Thierry Tusseau (70-80')*: good left back (played a bit of RB and CB), member of the same national team as Bossis, but with a lesser role. His departure for the arch rivals Bordeaux, leaving 83 championship team was a schok for nantes and the start of our decline.
Marcel Desailly (90'-00')*: "the rock", an incredibly powerful center back and midfielder. Great success after his departure from Nantes in Marseille, Milan and Chelsea. World Champion with France in 1998.
Henri Michel (60'70'80')* Charismatic captain fo nearly 15 years. A terrific midfielder, who ended his carrer as a sweeper. Amazing shot, extremely clever and talented player. the word leader was invented to describe him. Coached France to its only Olympics gold medal and during 86 world cup. Then coached PSG and many african countries.
Mickaël Landreau (90'00')*: Starter at the age of 17 in the french league (1996). In his debut game away at Bastia, he stopped a penalty shot and kept the 0-0. Became captain of Nantes two season later. A very gifted goaltender, amazing on his line, and a serial penalty stopper. A great leader who did not hesitate to lead a rebellion last winter against our useless president, who destroyed a championship team in only two years. Will probably leave next summer. Third french keeper behind Barthez and Coupet.

Substitues
Viorel Moldovan (CF), Romanian striker. Gitty, hard working, talented.
Eric Pecout (CF)* French striker of the 70'-80'. Hat trick in 79 domestic cup final.
Angel Marcos: argentinian striker fro Chacarita. Extremely talented (he was part of the national team), his carrer was broken by injuries. Played for us in the 70'
Nicolas Ouédec (CF)* French striker of the 90'. Member of the wonderful 95 team (one loss in 38 games, 32 games undefeated streak) Two 20 goals seasons. Top striker of the french league in 1994
Ramon Muller (OM) Playmaker of the 60'. One of the most talented player to suit for us. A wizard with the ball. His son Oscar, recently dead, also played for us.
Bernard Blanchet (OM) 111 goals for us as a winger/midfielder. Intenational player for France. Played in the 60'-70'
Enzo Trossero (DM) Argentinian defensive midfielder. Very talented. Once a Swiss national team coach, btw. 70' player.
Claude Makelele (DM) Came from Brest at 18 yo in 1992. A very talented midfielder. Used to play a mixed game in Nantes, wasn't the defensive beast he is now, but contributed a lot offensively. Plays for France.
Patrice Rio (CB)* A rugged dman that was a big part of our 70'-80' championship teams. his tandem with Hugo Bargas was the best CB pair in France at the moment. Played for France national team.
Hugo Bargas (CB) Second part of the 70' tandem. Even rival and fellow Agentina player Piazza, from Saint Etienne recognized it:"Hugo es el mejor" (Hugo is the best). A gifted dman who loved to join the rush and give a hand to his forwards.
Christian Karembeu (RB/CB/DCM/OM)* the ultimate all around player. Apart from forward and goalie, he played every single position in his carreer. A force and a gentleman. World champion 98.
Daniel Eon (GK) our first great keeper (60'). Played internationally for France.
Jean-Paul bertrand-Demanes (GK)* "Le Grand" (the tall one) was our keeper for 15 years (70'-80'). International player for France.


* from the academy
Not questioning your selection too much, since I didn't see the 60's and the 70's players, but one of my early Nantes favourites was Jose Toure (born 1961) along with the likes of Bossis, Halilhodzig etc. you mentioned. Spent quite a few years with Nantes and played some matches for France too. Oh well, maybe you just didn't rate him higher than the ones you selected.

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I'm not really knowledgeable about Juve's distant history, but I'll give it a shot.

-------------- Alessandro Del Piero ------- Paolo Rossi ----------------
-------------------------- Giampiero Boniperti -----------------------
---- Zinédine Zidane -------- Michel Platini -------- Angelo Di Livio ----
Jurgen Kohler ----- Gaetano Scirea ----- Pietro Rava ----- Ciro Ferrara
------------------------------- Dino Zoff ----------------------------

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Roberto Baggio (CF)
Roberto Bettega (CF)
John Charles (CF)
Liam Brady (RM, CM)
Andreas Moller (CM)
Didier Deschamps (DM)
Gianluca Zambrotta (L/RB, L/RM)
Edgar Davids (CM)
Pavel Nedved (AM, CM, LM, RM)
Lilian Thuram (CB, RB)
Gianluigi Buffon (GK)
Angelo Peruzzi (GK)

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The individual talent wasn't that of most teams now but the team as a whole was amazing there is no doubt about their work ethic......without Scholes and Keano they come back in the 90th minute and beat Bayern Munich to win Europe.....

The only subs I'd make is I'd insert Paolo Maldini into that squad and there you have the perfect team.

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Not questioning your selection too much, since I didn't see the 60's and the 70's players, but one of my early Nantes favourites was Jose Toure (born 1961) along with the likes of Bossis, Halilhodzig etc. you mentioned. Spent quite a few years with Nantes and played some matches for France too. Oh well, maybe you just didn't rate him higher than the ones you selected.
On pure talent, Touré could have made my team over Pecout. But Pecout was the striker of our team in maybe our best time. Definitely debatable, I agree.

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I'm not really knowledgeable about Juve's distant history, but I'll give it a shot.

John Charles (CF)
It's worth noting that Charles was equally adept at playing centre half as well and did on ocasion for Juve, which gives you more defensive cover on the bench.

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I see your 1994 Nittany Lions, and raise you a 2003 USC Trojans.

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2004 USC Trojans!!!!!!
2003 Trojans were better and Carson Palmer's 2002 Trojans would beat 03, 04, or 05 teams! 2002 Trojan team has been Pete's best team!

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USC-ND Team Matchups

Post 1960
1962 USC vs 1970 ND
1969 USC vs 1966 ND
1972 USC vs 1973 ND
1978 USC vs 1989 ND
1979 USC vs 1977 ND
1988 USC vs 2005 ND
2002 USC vs 1988 ND
2003 USC vs 1992 ND
2004 USC vs 1993 ND
2005 USC vs 1991 ND


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Japhet N'Doram (90') (see my avatar): one of the most talented playmaker I had the opportunity to watch on a football ground. Inspirationnal leader, amazing goalscoring instincts, but oft injured and underhyped. Was playing in Nantes at the same time Raï played for PSG. Was a superior player (even if Evilo probably won't agree). International player for Chad. Now a member of our staff.
I agree with everything. Except for the Rai part though. Rai had that leadership dimension N'Doram never had. Japhet is one of my fav players though.

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