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10-30-2005, 05:21 PM
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Mats Sundin

I'd like to see the Leafs rebuild and ship Sundin to a team that could possibly win a cup in the next two or three years. He deserves to have a ring before he retires. He is a legit number one centre.

***Please keep in mind I am not educated on how each teams cap situation is***

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To Calgary: Montador, (a decent prospect), and a first.

To Ottawa: Lee or Bochenski or Kaigorodov, and a first.

To Nashville: Weber and a first.

To Vancouver: Kesler and a second.
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Sundin is going nowhere. Sundin is anyway your best player.


Calgary might need center though.

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[CODE]To Calgary: Montador, (a decent prospect), and a first.
Can we please throw in Wiener boy too?

What the hell would VCR do with Morrison, Sundin, Sedin all as centers?

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Sundin is going nowhere. Sundin is anyway your best player.


Calgary might need center though.
Why bother replying if you have nothing useful to add to the thread? Similar to Bourque in Boston, I'd like Sundin to be shipped to a contendor to get a ring and kickstart the Leafs into rebuilding mode.

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Why bother replying if you have nothing useful to add to the thread? Similar to Bourque in Boston, I'd like Sundin to be shipped to a contendor to get a ring and kickstart the Leafs into rebuilding mode.
Okay, but i don't agree with you. You think AVS should just throw Sakic waivers and hope he gets ring? Nah.. It's not yet your time to rebuild. Why did you sign Lindros,Allison,Czerkawski if you are rebuilding? That don't really make sense to me.

I think it's bad idea to trade your best player, leader,captain and face of Toronto Maple Leafs.

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Why bother replying if you have nothing useful to add to the thread? Similar to Bourque in Boston, I'd like Sundin to be shipped to a contendor to get a ring and kickstart the Leafs into rebuilding mode.
no, you have a good point. They could easily address their needs on the blueline. But its Matts salary that hurts his chances.

How about Marchment and Wiemer?

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hey crossroads...those offers are BRUTAL. with that said sundin isn't going anywhere

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10-30-2005, 05:36 PM
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Okay, but i don't agree with you. You think AVS should just throw Sakic waivers and hope he gets ring? Nah.. It's not yet your time to rebuild. Why did you sign Lindros,Allison,Czerkawski if you are rebuilding? That don't really make sense to me.
All players the Leafs have signed this off-season (with the exception of O'Neill) were given one year deals. Considering the Leafs do not have a lot in terms of prospects, those signings were made to give the team a chance to atleast make the playoffs and be somewhat competitive while obtaining a middle-of-the-pack draft choice. Trading Sundin will give the Leafs two draft choices in the first round and will allow them to start building a stable group of prospects.

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Sundin has a NTC which pretty significantly diminishes the odds of his being traded.
We're going to have to take back significant salary in any potential trade, as there aren't exactly many teams in the NHL that might be in the market for a 1st line Center that would be able to take on his contract.

With that said I'm not all all interested in trading Sundin. Nor am I particularly impressed with any of the potential trades you mentioned even were he to be dealt.

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Sundin has a NTC which pretty significantly diminishes the odds of his being traded.
We're going to have to take back significant salary in any potential trade, as there aren't exactly many teams in the NHL that might be in the market for a 1st line Center that would be able to take on his contract.

With that saidm I'm not all all interested in trading Sundin. Nor am I particularly impressed with any of the potential trades you mentioned even were he to be dealt.
At trade deadline teams have to take only 1/3 of his salary. I guess there's few teams with 2-3 million free cap space to burn.

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All players the Leafs have signed this off-season (with the exception of O'Neill) were given one year deals. Considering the Leafs do not have a lot in terms of prospects, those signings were made to give the team a chance to atleast make the playoffs and be somewhat competitive while obtaining a middle-of-the-pack draft choice. Trading Sundin will give the Leafs two draft choices in the first round and will allow them to start building a stable group of prospects.
There will be younger UFAs next year to sign, maybe that's why you signed them only for one year and you might sign Lindros again next year, who knows?

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None of those deals would be enough incentive for Toronto to move him. He has a no trade clause too. His salary will make it impossible to deal him to a contender without taking significant salary back. .

If something like this were to happen, it would be in the last year of his deal at around deadline time, when a cap hit would be minimal for whoever takes him on.

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I don't think it's possible to "eat" salary, anymore.

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Kesler and a second?! Are you stark raving mad?

I realize at 34 and making $6.4 mil a year Sundin isn't worth as much as his awesomeness would suggest, but JFJ would have a lynch mob after him if he did that ( or any other of the proposals ). Never mind that I doubt Sundin would waive his NTC at this point, unless JFJ were to insult him by telling him he's being shopped around for Steve Montador.

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Sundin for Shea Weber and a 1st is probably a very good return for TO if they are looking to rebuild. Weber is one of my favorite NHL prospects, and look forward to a long career from him. IMO Sundin will retire in TO.

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At trade deadline teams have to take only 1/3 of his salary. I guess there's few teams with 2-3 million free cap space to burn.
They'll still have to make room under their cap for future years.

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10-30-2005, 05:58 PM
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What about in a pkg to nashville for Timonen and whatever else. NSH needs a centre, and leafs could use a steady rock on D like Kimo.

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What the hell would VCR do with Morrison, Sundin, Sedin all as centers?
Sedin can center the third line?

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Weber will be a top four for years to come. If I were the leafs, I would do this (Value wise anyway)

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Sedin can center the third line?
It would most likely be Morrison centering the 3rd line. Cooke-Morrison-Park?!?!?

In any case, the original poster obviously decided to not factor in the effects of the salary cap into his "proposals". The Canucks can't afford to add even a $600,000 player, let alone a $6 mil player such as Sundin.

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Never going to happen, Mats will retire a Leaf or be moved in the last year of his contract if the Leafs are out of the playoff picture.

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It would most likely be Morrison centering the 3rd line. Cooke-Morrison-Park?!?!?

In any case, the original poster obviously decided to not factor in the effects of the salary cap into his "proposals". The Canucks can't afford to add even a $600,000 player, let alone a $6 mil player such as Sundin.
Really, no ****. Read my original post.

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The thread starter is entitled to his opinion. Here's mine:

If as many teams gave up on themselves, traded their top talent and reeeeebuilt as often and quickly as many fans would like (insert white flag here), each NHL season would be a contest among 30 teams for the 1st pick in the draft instead of the Stanley Cup.

Which, ironically, would probably thrill some posters.

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The thread starter is entitled to his opinion. Here's mine:

If as many teams gave up on themselves, traded their top talent and reeeeebuilt as often and quickly as many fans would like (insert white flag here), each NHL season would be a contest among 30 teams for the 1st pick in the draft instead of the Stanley Cup.

Which, ironically, would probably thrill some posters.
My thoughts exactly, I wanted to post some similar thoughts but didn't know how to phrase them.

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Really, no ****. Read my original post.
So you agree with me then, you're just pulling **** out of your ***.

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